No offence, but Muslims love Jesus as much as Christians do

The Telegraph (U.K.) ^ | 12/19/2001 | John Casey

[dansangel]

My bad....that's what I get for trying to answer before I've completely woken up.

Thanks for the clarification. It seems I suffered from a case of dyslexia in that I confused the origins of each side.

I appreciate the information.

[dansangel]

"It could be simpler and the article's author is Muslim."

I hadn't even thought of that. That's an interesting angle.

[A. Pole]

Most Muslims are ignorant of Christianity. Throughout the Muslim world bibles are banned.

The false Muslim myth claiming that Islam incorporates Jewish and Christian Bible is based on a belief that Koran contains ALL the true teaching of the Bible. This what is in the Bible different is bad and that is why good Muslim is not permitted to read the "corrupted" verion of the Book kept by Jews and Christians.

[aruanan]

Jesus is referred to quite often in the Koran, six times under the title "Messiah". Yet I had long supposed that the importance of Jesus as prophet in Muslim tradition was not much more than a matter of lip-service, something to which Muslims gave (to use Cardinal Newman's distinction) "notional" rather than "real" assent.

The reason for the mention of Jesus (and the initial shabbat prayers and prayers directed toward Jerusalem, not Mecca) is because at the time that Muhammed decided to invent his religion the two big well established religions were Christianity and Judaism. Muhammed took on phenotypes of these religions for two reasons: 1. an attempt to attract members of those religions to his own--the Jews adamantly refused, resulting in the dropping of prayers toward Jerusalem and their blacklisting as one of the infidel groups mentioned by name; 2. an attempt to appropriate to his creation some of the mojo of already successful religions; mentioning Jesus in a positive light (though a decidedly non-Christian Jesus) would make his religion appear (in the minds of those not Christian but familiar with it in some way) to be more related than alien; appealing to Abraham as an ancestor was the same sort of attempt with respect to the Jews "Hey, we're all members of the same family--you just deviated from the true religion which I, Muhammed, as the prophet of Allah, am here to tell you about and bring our family back together so the circle will be unbroken, by and by, Lord, by and by..." Unfortunately for Muhammed, analysis of the Y chromosome have shown Jews to be more closely related to people nearer Mesopotamia than to any Arabs. Looks as though whoever they were, they weren't offspring of Abraham through Ishmael.

[aruanan]

You know, though, the headline would be pretty much true in this sense: "Muslims love Jesus as much as a lot of people who call themselves Christians do".

[Publius6961]

No offence, but Muslims love Jesus as much as Christians do

No offence, but no creative new idea by the Muslim/Arabprop machine and their useful idiots can neutralize 1300 years of bloody animal behavior by the Muslim Mass Murderers.

The fact that they love Jesus must explain why there is not a single Middle Eastern country where a Christian church may be built and where Christians may openly practice their faith.
What a bunch of morons...

[Savage Beast]

I don't know. Maybe it's just that music soothes me so--not just the music that we hear--the music of life--the music of the cosmos--or something like that... Who knows? Maybe I am a savage beast, with hardly more ability, if left alone with only my devices, to see the truth and comprehend the divine mysteries than is a fly with its compound eyes and primative nervous system, and that's why I need a Guide to lead me to God. You have asked me an interesting question, but I don't know the answer. Merry Christmas! SB

[OrioleFan]

Then along came Mohammed and all hell broke loose.

[Savage Beast]

Do you have any thoughts or ideas or suggestions as to why one might choose such a screen name? I think it just came out of that vast ocean of the subconscious and has meaning...but I'm not sure what. SB

[FITZ]

Now, what if my friend had married a Muslim?

This proves the author is lying or making stuff up because non-Muslim men are not allowed to marry Muslim women. Muslim men can marry Christians but only because they believe the man owns the woman and the children will be Muslim that way.

[Savage Beast]

You see things this way too? It made me very happy to see your posting. Such things are so personal that I hesitate to share them with anyone. It's easier in anonymity. However, this is what my life is about. It always has been, underlying a conventional life.

When I was a boy--maybe ten years old--I went to an Episcopal boys' camp on St. Simons Island on the Georgia coast. There was a little outdoor chapel in the forest. Sitting there alone--something happened. I saw something--not with my eyes. It was not new, but something became clearer and overwhelmed me. It still does. It always will.

Merry Christmas!

[CCWoody]

This assertion is meaningless.

Did you read post #92?

[Dr. Good Will Hunting]

Look at the Christians in Muslim countries today...they are killed for their faith in Jesus and their refusal to convert to Islam.

This is true. Christians are annihilated. When I was a kid I read the "Tullus" Christian comics, which illustrated the war on Christianity in ancient times.

In 2001, the war rages. Christianity is strong, it's opponents are totalitarian.

Abroad.

At home.

Enough is enough.

[Savage Beast]

Post # 44 did give me a chuckle. You have a wry way with words.

[CCWoody]

If so, I can certainly see how He got confused about it! After all, He gave sight to the blind, cleansed lepers, walked on water, calmed storms with a word, raised the dead, and rose from the dead Himself. - Ahban

Lots of people claim lots of things, especially decades after the fact. - Doctor Doomed

So, what about Jesus claim that greater things than these we, his saints, would do? I don't suppose you'd believe even though someone was raised from the dead, just as scriptures say.

Aug 25, '99 all the doctors marveled who saw me because none of them could explain how I was not a bloody smear on the highway. But, then, I'm just a mistaken lunatic chasing after another mistaken lunatic who claimed to be Almighty God. BTW, you should have seen the mark that the ground left on my helmet, and yet, I had no scratches on my body anywhere.

[Doctor Doom]

Hey - whatever gets you through the night.

[Walkin Man]

Christians terrorized by Laskar Jihad 12/17/01
Between Poso and Tentena was a gantlet of "jihad posts" staffed by Islamic soldiers bearing AK-47s. Some of the soldiers at these posts, Mr. Snyder had heard, were stopping buses and cars along the route. Any Christian passengers were hauled out and either killed on the spot or driven into the jungle, never to be seen again.

ISLAMIC NATIONS SLAUGHTER, ENSLAVE CHRISTIANS 12/16/01
THERE IS NOT ONE CHRISTIAN NATION ON EARTH WHERE MUSLIMS ARE PERSECUTED. Yet in 83% of nations where the majority of the population are Muslims, there is systematic government persecution of Christians.

Christians In Pakistan Fear A Christmas Bloodbath 12/5/01
ISTANBUL, Turkey, (Zenit.org).- Five weeks after Islamic extremists murdered 15 Christians in a worship service, church leaders across Pakistan say their congregations remain "tense and fearful" as Christmas approaches, Compass Direct reports.

No offence, but Muslims love Jesus as much as Christians do

Nobody is buying this Islamic propaganda anymore. Islam is a fierce hater of Jesus Christ and murders His followers whenever and wherever they have the power to do so.

[wwjdn]

Islam accepts Jesus Christ

Islam accepts Jesus as a good and holy man (equal to John the Babtist), not as divinty, therefore, they do not accept him as the Son of God. Hence, "they do not truly accept him for who he is". As for the Jews, you are right, but since they are God's chosen people (which Islam is not) I will not criticize them.

[Lent]

I'm not talking about Catholic Cathecism. Got anymore red herrings.