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Government Property Seizures out of Control
http://www.newsmax.com ^ | Saturday, June 30, 2001 | Jarret Wollstein

Posted on 12/16/2001 8:38:40 AM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK

Government Property Seizures out of Control

Jarret Wollstein
Saturday, June 30, 2001
Across America, the Drug Enforcement Administration is seizing the luggage, cash and cars of hapless travelers. Under America's new civil forfeiture laws, mere possession of a large amount of cash or a drug dog barking at your luggage is sufficient probable cause for police to legally seize everything you are carrying.



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1 posted on 12/16/2001 8:38:40 AM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
I've often wondered why, if money can be a defendant, its lawyer can't file a writ of habeus corpus.
2 posted on 12/16/2001 8:43:53 AM PST by Grut
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
They should be thankful they weren't murdered.

Sometimes victims possess no drugs at all. Just ask the family of Annie Rae Dixon, an 84-year-old grandmother shot and killed during a 2 a.m. drug raid of her east Texas home in 1992. No drugs were ever found on the premises. One officer later hypothesized that his pistol accidentally discharged when he kicked open Dixon’s bedroom door. “[I] started throwing my guts up crying because I knew I had shot somebody that didn’t have no reason to be shot,” he said.4

No less vicious was the 1998 shooting death of Pedro Oregon Navarro by Houston police. Six officers stormed his home at 1:40 a.m. in a military-style raid after a man arrested for public drunkenness said Navarro was a drug dealer. Agents shot the bleary-eyed Navarro 12 times, killing him. A search of his residence produced no illicit drugs or weapons.5

California rancher Donald Scott, 61, met a similar fate in 1992, when a team of local and federal agents burst into his mansion during a midnight raid, ostensibly to search for marijuana. When Scott reached for a pistol to defend himself, he was shot dead. An investigation by the Ventura County district attorney later revealed that the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department had fabricated evidence that Scott was cultivating pot because it hoped to seize his property, which was adjacent to a federal park.6 Ventura County officials eventually agreed to pay the Scott family $4 million in damages; the federal government agreed to pay $1 million.

More recently, a SWAT team from El Monte, California, raided a home in neighboring Compton on the evening of August 9, 1999, killing retired grandfather Mario Paz by shooting him twice in the back. Police executing the search warrant said they believed the house was sometimes used as a mail drop by a local drug dealer.8 Although police found no drugs and filed no charges against any of the surviving family members, they refused to return an estimated $11,000 dollars seized during the deadly raid.9

Some victims are the victims of sheer error. Take the September 29, 1999, assault by Denver SWAT agents on the home of Ismael Mena. Mena, a 45-year-old father of nine, was shot eight times and killed by police in the unannounced raid. No drugs were found, and police now speculate that they may have had an incorrect address.10

An equally vicious police blunder claimed the life of Reverend Accelyne Williams, a 75-year-old retired Methodist minister who suffered a fatal heart attack when Boston police broke into his apartment on March 24, 1994. Acting on false information provided by a confidential informant, anti-drug agents chased Williams to his bedroom, shoved him to the floor, and pointed guns at his head-inducing the heart attack that killed him. Boston Police Commissioner Paul Evans later admitted at a press conference that police likely raided the wrong apartment. “If that is the case, then there will be an apology,” he said.11 Two years later, the city paid a $1 million settlement to Williams’s widow.12

3 posted on 12/16/2001 8:52:25 AM PST by jmp702
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
Good Article. Even though reading these make's me very angry.

I am calmly awaiting for the "we do it for YOUR own good" crowd to show up and explain all of this away.

great post.

4 posted on 12/16/2001 9:15:08 AM PST by JakeWyld
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To: Grut
When people think of property, they quite often think land. In actuality there are many different things that can be taken as property including cars, boats, motorhomes, cash and on and on.

In one incident near the central coast of California officers invaded a home in the middle of the night and executed an elderly man in front of his wife. His only crime was that he was sleeping and startled by intruders may have armed himself. There was no justifiable cause to for the raid. There was no crime. The theory is that the department simply wanted the land, or a portion of the cash value of that land expected if they could justify forfeiture.

These property seizures are out of control.

5 posted on 12/16/2001 10:22:15 AM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
"These outrageous seizures are completely legal and have been upheld by the highest courts in the land, including the U.S. Supreme Court."

These seizures are NOT legal. It's past time for the Supreme Court to get off their butts and do their job. The current seizure law is UNCONSTITUTIONAL, and law enforcement who enforce this law are committing crimes under color of law.

6 posted on 12/16/2001 10:24:11 AM PST by etcetera
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To: etcetera
If the police are bound and determined to become professional theives, don't be surprised when average citizens start to treat the police as professional theives. Say goodbye to any sort of support from the community, say goodbye to any sort of respect from the community, and don't expect the community to come to your side when you would like them to. Don't be surprised when jurors refuse to believe what police have to say.

See how the community relates to the police in Mexico for a preview of how life in America will be in a few years.

7 posted on 12/16/2001 10:33:00 AM PST by Billy_bob_bob
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
Whenever anyone says America is a free country I get sick to my stomach.
8 posted on 12/16/2001 10:38:51 AM PST by OK
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To: etcetera
These seizures are NOT legal

Come on... power flows from the barrel of a gun and who has the guns? The gov't is completely out of control and entirely unaccountable for their actions. Remember them burning a church down and machine-gunning women and children trying to escape the flames on live TV(Waco)? If we didn't do anything then we sure ain't going to do anything about a few hundred thousand isolated instances of gov't theft of personal property every year.

Remember, you can go to prison for selling your own urine now. Just be thankful they're not putting a bullet in your head for your subversive post (yet).

9 posted on 12/16/2001 10:40:57 AM PST by LIBERTARIAN JOE
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
There are some things about forfeiture laws that need to be changed such as the resources needed to challenge a forfeiture. Unfortunately, NewsMax didn't attempt to get the other side of the story for any of the cases cited, but decided to grandstand like the dopers, thus not doing anybody any good.
10 posted on 12/16/2001 10:52:27 AM PST by Moonman62
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To: Moonman62
I'm no constitutional scholar, but my reading of the constitution leads to a conclusion that seizure and forfeiture laws go directly against the constitution

Amendment IV- The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Amendment V- No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

11 posted on 12/16/2001 11:05:52 AM PST by jmp702
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK; *Wod_list
bump
12 posted on 12/16/2001 11:11:42 AM PST by Libertarianize the GOP
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To: jmp702
I believe the forfeitures are done under civil law, but I think there still has to be probable cause. It's hard to know, because so many articles on the subject are one sided like this one. I've never seen a police report cited in any of these articles or trial transcript either. It would also help if someone quoted from a Supreme Court case. I'm sure the forfeiture laws have been challenged many times.
13 posted on 12/16/2001 11:21:55 AM PST by Moonman62
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To: Moonman62
I did a quick scan through these SC cases looking for something relevant. Link,

Maybe someone with more time (legal knowledge) than I could lend some insight.

14 posted on 12/16/2001 11:47:43 AM PST by jmp702
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To: Libertarianize the GOP
bump
15 posted on 12/17/2001 7:57:54 AM PST by Libertarianize the GOP
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
They'll never get away with this thievery!

Just listen to the cries of outrage in the media and in the schools, churches, homes, work-places, and super markets of this "freedom-loving" Nation.

Are you listening?

Are you?

[/Sarcasm]

16 posted on 12/17/2001 8:24:31 AM PST by SuperLuminal
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To: victoria delsoul
ping
17 posted on 12/17/2001 8:26:59 AM PST by Sir Gawain
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To: Grut
because property has no rights...only persons have rights

so no writs, no jury trials, court appointed attorneys, no double jepardy protection, because they have managed to seperate property from it's owner and make them eligible for different treatment under the law

neat trick, huh?

18 posted on 12/17/2001 8:48:35 AM PST by fod
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
These outrageous seizures are completely legal and have been upheld by the highest courts in the land, including the U.S. Supreme Court.

Too bad we have all those liberals on the Supreme Court who have voted with the majority to seige innocent people's hard earned money.

19 posted on 12/17/2001 9:04:08 AM PST by Austim
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To: Moonman62
Unfortunately, NewsMax didn't attempt to get the other side of the story for any of the cases cited...

How on earth could you even imply that a NewsMax story would not address both sides of an issue?

20 posted on 12/17/2001 9:12:21 AM PST by Austim
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