DENVER VS. THE U.S. CONSTITUTION

Stanley for U.S. Senate Campaign ^ | December 15, 2001 - Bill of Rights Day | N/A

[yooper]

"He will win.... "

"Only if the judicial system follows the law and the Constitution, which has been rare in recent history."

If the judicial system follows the law, he will lose. If it follows the Constitution, he will win. It is important here to make the point that it is the law which is unconstitutional. That's what these two guys are trying to demonstrate by going to jail.

[Roscoe]

Rick is a Constitutional ignoramus.

"The Second Amendment declares that it shall not be infringed, but this, as has been seen, means no more than that it shall not be infringed by Congress. This is one of the amendments that has no other effect than to restrict the powers of the National government, leaving the people to look for their protection against any violation by their fellow-citizens..." -- US Supreme Court, Presser v. State of Illinois, 116 U.S. 252 (1886)

[Zon]

Do you mean you want a law that permits people to CCW?

[Paleo Conservative]

This was about a week or so before Columbine. Since Columbine, the issue has been placed on the back burner and forgotten. I haven't heard Owens talk about resurrecting this issue that he campaigned on.

If some of the school staff had been carrying firearms they might have been able to stop Klebold and Harris sooner.

[yooper]

"Local Laws CANNOT supercede the BILL OF RIGHTS"

In James Madison's mind this was indeed true. However, if you think about it, the vast majority of local laws supercede the Bill of Rights and the Constitution. I'll refer you to your local zoning ordinances as a starting point. If you really want to be disgusted, pick up your local municipal code and compare it to the Bill of Rights. Your head will start spinning.......

[Zon]

I am all for the 2nd Amendment. But silly stunts like this take away from those of us that want national CCW.

Either you just lied or you're ignorant. A national CCW law would violate the 2nd Amendment -- in infringes on a person's right to keep and bear arms. I'll let you correct the error by asking again: Do you advocate upholding the 2nd Amendment or do you advocate gun control?

[LibertyRocks]

Yes, he's OK in that area. But he's got an excellent lawyer in Paul Grant. He's in really good hands.

Everyone: I'm sure Rick would love to hear messages of support. Please write to Rick at: Rick@stanley2002.org .

I'll try to get an address from Duncan and post it here as well. I will see if he has what he needs, or I will let everyone know ASAP.

Where Rick really needs help is with his Senate Campaign. We are very small and have achieved a tremendous amount of publicity, even before this event. The Denver Post will be covering this as well as the Denver Daily News - so far that we know of. All of this with virtually no money - like a couple thousand dollars I think. Anyway, Rick's message resonates and it is spreading like wildfire.

He's going against Strickland (the former U.S. Attorney that lost to Allard back in 96). His Repubilcan opponent is Allard, but Allard is NOT interested in the Constitution. He is not willing to go to bat for your rights like Rick is. And a good Senator benefits the whole nation, not just his home state. Allard compromised the rights of every American in the Nation by voting for the PATRIOT Act.

Please visit the web site and show your support for his candidacy, his willingness to put it on the line, and help bring back freedom in America.
Thank you.

Here's that web site again: http://www.stanley2002.org

[VA Advogado]

Do you mean you want a law that permits people to CCW?

Whatever it takes to keep from being arrested for arming yourself, yes.

[coloradan]

I thought that Colorado had a shall issue law.

It does not, it's may issue. Some sheriffs hand them out easily, others (like in Denver) only issue to the well-connected.

But at the same time, I think open carry is not illegal and should NOT be illegal. If you have the cahunas to open carry then you should be allowed to.

The Colorado Constitution is pretty clear about it; open carry is explicitly protected.

[suijuris]

I am all for the 2nd Amendment. But silly stunts like this take away from those of us that want national CCW.

That's the whole point. YOU already have the right to carry arms; concealed or otherwise. The problem is WE have allowed the government to infringe/take the right away. Folks like you want to request/beg the Governent for the privlege (with severe restrictions) to excersise a God given right you already had; as recognized by the Constitution. At least the Libertarians understand the argument.

[coloradan]

So, Rosa Parks and for that matter Paul Revere and George Washington were simple outlaws who belonged in jail?

[Buckeroo]

Thank you for posting this article.

Best Regards!
Buckeroo
gibraltar@discover.net

[Jeff Head]

I applaud this man's efforts. He is clearly risking his own well being to bring the case to court, to force the courts to either do their constitutional duty, or to make clear their avoidance and violation thereof.

IMHO, he is a patriot to do so ... not a jerk, not looney ... he knows exactly what he is doing. Again, I appluad him for it because he understands what our founders meant by liberty and the right to defend one's self.

Here's the only "Gun Legislation" I am willing to support:

The Firearms Restoration Act

[El Gato]

It would seem the law is also in violation of the Colorado State Constitution, which like Texas', allows for regulation of concealed carry, but not open.

"The right of no person to keep and bear arms in defense of his home, person and property, or in aid of the civil power when thereto legally summoned, shall be called in question; but nothing herein contained shall be construed to justify the practice of carrying concealed weapons." Article II, Section 13.

Colorado does have a concealed carry permit system, with permist issued by "chief of police of a city or city and county, or the sheriff of a county". The quote is from NRA-ILA, as is the Constitutional quote above. I'ts not clear from the NRA-ILA information if the carry permits are "Shall issue" or "may issue", although the law directs (shall) the local LEO to conduct a background info. Colorado Freepers should have more information.

[MississippiMan]

I don't think stunts like this promote the right to bear arms. They make people who understand how to apply the right along with common sense become thrown into the same pool.

I own a business, and in my state you can obtain a permit to carry. It allows you to carry it, concealed or not, in public with some exceptions like banks, schools, etc. In my business, however, I have the right to ask you not to bring a loaded weapon in. And I've exercised that right with a guy who strolled in with a Glock strapped proudly on his side. I asked him very politely to leave the gun in the car. He told me he had a permit and didn't have to. I first explained to him that I support the right to bear arms as much as anyone. I then explained that I also have the right to say whether or not you can carry one on my property and that my decision was that he could not. He got angry and left, but later came back, with an empty holster. I thanked him for respecting my rules and all is well.

MM

[El Gato]

I am all for the 2nd Amendment. But silly stunts like this take away from those of us that want national CCW

I disagree, I think it helps by making a permit system, with background investigations and mandatory training look downride "common sense". Not that I agree with that notion. The second amendment does not have any exceptions for concealed carry, nor for carry in cities, or most anywhere. Private property excepted of course, the owner can make any restrictions he/she/ or they choose.

[Sloth]

"The Second Amendment declares that it shall not be infringed, but this, as has been seen, means no more than that it shall not be infringed by Congress. This is one of the amendments that has no other effect than to restrict the powers of the National government..."

Funny, the first amendment explicitly says "Congress" but the court still won't let state and local laws infringe on 1st amendment rights.

[nralife]

Sounds like a case for jury nullification! :)

[Sloth]

He got angry and left, but later came back, with an empty holster.

Interesting. I would not have gotten angry, but I also would never have come back.

[c-b 1]

I am all for the 2nd Amendment. But silly stunts like this take away from those of us that want national CCW.

A national CCW would mean getting permission from the Feds to carry, that is pure insanity! The only workable soultion is CCW permits issued by every state, recognized nationally.