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U.S. Warned of Possible Attacks (third world war)
usa today ^ | 12/14/01

Posted on 12/14/2001 3:45:58 PM PST by knak

Edited on 04/13/2004 1:38:52 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: IceCreamSocialist
Of course that works both ways, right? I'm sure Rafsanjani won't be upset with the Israelis killing Palestinians indiscriminantly.

Why, I wouldn't think so. Why would he?

121 posted on 12/14/2001 6:31:19 PM PST by butter pecan fan
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To: classygreeneyedblonde
yes...and don't forget those who harbor and support them.
122 posted on 12/14/2001 6:34:48 PM PST by patriot5186
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To: Rustynailww
That about sums up what this is all about.

If our women were that scary we would be blowing ourselves up too!

123 posted on 12/14/2001 7:02:09 PM PST by Rome2000
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To: The Vast Right Wing
They have been offered land. They have been offerd peace. The have been offerd who knows what else. They have turned it all down. So it is obvious what they really want. These Palestinians live in a fantasy world.
124 posted on 12/14/2001 7:04:21 PM PST by oyez
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To: KneelBeforeZod
I can't help it, I just think that picture is a hoot.
125 posted on 12/14/2001 7:12:10 PM PST by JusPasenThru
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To: JSteff
The people living on top of the oil seem unusually stupid and counterproductive because of a peculiar world view they have as a result of a curious religious belief. However, the oil there is good even if the people thereabouts are not worth much. Convert them or clean them out.
126 posted on 12/14/2001 7:12:18 PM PST by mathurine
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To: knak
GREAT lets settle this right here and right now!. Get it over with so future generations don't have this crap.
127 posted on 12/14/2001 7:13:41 PM PST by mad_as_he$$
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To: backhoe
don't forget there were thousands of others around the globe helping us do it--never forget the millions who died in Russia to stop the Nazis-
128 posted on 12/14/2001 7:25:52 PM PST by cmotormac44
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To: Economist_MA
you are right , sir--i had a small part in that war as well and never knew how untold millions of russians died to stop the Nazis there untold long after the war was over--say a prayer for all of the other families throughout the world who lost loved ones in WW2
129 posted on 12/14/2001 7:28:59 PM PST by cmotormac44
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To: knak
Ha'aretz

Saturday, December 15, 2001 Kislev 30, 5762 Israel Time: 05:44 (GMT+2)
An excess of zeal 

By David Landau 



One wonders what Judah Maccabee would think about this "war of good against evil" being waged by America. Certainly, he would not feel sorry for bin Laden and the Taliban, and perhaps Iraq, and Hezbollah, and all the other ruthless terror organizations. These, he would gladly see destroyed. But what about ordinary religious Muslims, what about the scores of millions of devout believers worldwide, "fundamentalists" even, who oppose what they call the "Americanization" of their culture and society? How would the leader of the Hasmoneans relate to them? Would he see any parallels, however imprecise, between their struggle and his struggle against the imperialistic Hellenization of his time? After all, what was Hellenism trying to do if not introduce, albeit by force, a little modernity, a bit of progress into the fundamentalist lives of the inhabitants of Judea? 

If Judah did see any resemblance, it would put a real damper on the gung-ho exhilaration felt by American Jews these days. Perhaps this mood is only natural. Their beloved country is fighting a brutal enemy who is also the declared enemy of the Jewish people and the State of Israel. Their fighting spirit and patriotism know no bounds. Indeed, almost without noticing it, the hatred, initially focused on one man and one organization, has swelled into a great wave of self-righteous (and racist) enmity toward peoples and nations, a culture and a faith. 

Many American Jews, out of love for America and also for Israel, are joining - again without noticing it - a growing jingoistic crowd of Americans who are spoiling for what is essentially a worldwide cultural war on Islam. 

Quite possibly, these same Jews took part in the organized efforts of citizens who patroled neighborhood mosques and protected their worshipers after September 11. There is no contradiction here, because these Muslim worshipers are Americans. You can see them in the non-stop television commercials now being aired in the United States, alongside the Christian Americans, the Jewish Americans, the white Americans, the black Americans, the Chinese Americans and the countless others, representing every imaginable combination, who proudly and movingly declare, "I am an American." 

But those who are not American, those who live in Asia or Africa and wear a galabia instead of jeans, and do not want to give up that galabia for jeans, are now suspected of conspiring to burn down jeans factories in the heart of America, not to mention the church next door and the synagogue down the block. These people are devout Muslims, which is to say, fundamentalists, which is another word for terrorists. 

In Israel, too, there are people who have succumbed to the temptation to view themselves as participants in a kind of crusade led by the United States - although the word "crusade" is now avoided as politically incorrect - inspired by a Judeo-Christian culture trying to defend itself against the depredations of Islam. How chests expanded with pride this week at the sight of President Bush speaking of revenge and victory, the Israeli flag visible behind him. 

But again, this is only natural, because a victory over bin Laden is also our victory, and American revenge tastes just as sweet to us. These feelings of satisfaction and solidarity aside, however, we - and American Jews even more so - must distinguish between a war on terrorism and a war of cultures, and we must keep rehearsing that distinction. The Jews have no interest, and no place, in a Huntington-style cultural war of Christianity against Islam, certainly not on the side of Christianity. 

The violent neighbors' quarrel waged in these parts between Jews and Muslims, Israelis and Palestinians, is dictated by geography. In the end, geographical disputes usually have solutions. But the confrontation between Judaism and Christianity, shaped by history, and even more by theology, is, on a certain deep level, eternal. Perhaps today, after the centuries of blood and fire (with the Crusades marking a particular nadir in the annals of Jewish martyrdom and persecution), an era of tolerance has finally arrived in which the Judeo-Christian debate can be conducted in a dignified manner, without violence and without hate. That is what we mean by Western enlightenment. 

Enlightenment, however, need not erase the horrors of the past, nor blur the differences between our interests for the future. While the United States, the Christian superpower in which the influence of Christian fundamentalists is steadily increasing, can afford to wage war with the peoples of Islam for years, or even generations, the Jewish state does not have that luxury. 

The same geography that has pitted Israel and Palestine against each other in the bosom of the Arab world determines Israel's existential interest in avoiding a situation in which the Muslim world perceives the Jewish state as a religious enemy, as opposed to a political and territorial adversary. If that should happen, it is hard to foresee the conflict here ever ending peaceably. 

The Israeli right, in its post-'67 messianic folly, has contributed perniciously to the growth of such thinking among the Palestinians and in some of the Arab countries. For American Jews to be swept up now in a headlong Western (read Christian) Kulturkampf against Islam - spuriously citing Jewish nationalism to enhance their zeal - will not only fail to strengthen Israel in the long run, but may weaken its chances of ever been accepted in this region and thriving here.



130 posted on 12/14/2001 7:32:15 PM PST by Phil V.
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To: knak
Frustrated Palestinians may target U.S. interests with suicide attacks

I wonder if those Palestinians have their baby diapers wrapped around their heads to tight like Osama and his gang of murdering juvinile delinquents who have an EGO(EASING GOD OUT) syndrom? Grassontop

131 posted on 12/14/2001 7:39:18 PM PST by Grassontop
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To: knak; yall
Is there anybody in America who doesn't feel they're prepared for this?

Anybody?

132 posted on 12/14/2001 7:44:43 PM PST by BraveMan
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To: abwehr
I've got a deal for this bearded buffoon. On January 1, 2002 a ceasefire is declared. If Israel violates it we will withold all aid for Israel. If the Palestinian's violate it the Muslim world forfeits all western assistance and the Muslim world too denies all material assistance to the Palestinians.

Good plan! Please pass this along to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. Only one refinement - if Israel holds up its side and the other violates the terms then the official position of the USA becomes "Well we tried ..." when the Israelis let loose with long-inhibited major retribution.

133 posted on 12/14/2001 7:53:15 PM PST by Tunehead54
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To: Rubber Duckie; RightOnline
Jerusalem, a city wanted by both Israelis and Palestinians as a future capital, is the third-holiest site in Islam, after the Saudi Arabian cities of Mecca and Medina.

How come they never say "Jerusalem, the HOLIEST site in Judaism"?

134 posted on 12/14/2001 7:54:57 PM PST by Ed Burke
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To: Rubber Duckie
Near derelict third holiest site in Islam when they had sole control of Jerusalem. Click on the picture for the link to an article explaining how and why this myth was created less than 70 years ago.

Jerusalem is important when it is held by non-Muslims. Comment courtesy of National Review Online.

135 posted on 12/14/2001 8:05:24 PM PST by ExpandNATO
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To: knak
Rafsanjani, who served as Iran's president from 1989-97, told worshippers that the West must curb escalating Israeli-Palestinian violence or face a ''third world war.''

That's funny, I kind of figured that WWIII began, albeit unoficially on 9/11. I realize that so far, we are only in the beginning stages of said conflict, and the original goal is still far from being met. Once we have Afghanistan under control, we have a long way yet to go to take care of terror supporting states. Israel's action against Arafat in the West Bank is only part of that action. IMHO, it would have had to go down that way whatever happened, as Hamas will not stop the increasing suicide attacks against Israel, and from other reports here on FR, they have upped the ante trying to mix primitive BW/CW with their suicide attacks.

A WMD, no matter how primitive, will eventually be met by a counter WMD. It's happening now, so hang on for the bumpy ride.

Make no mistake, this is WWIII, regardless of how it is spun or named at this point. Make sure you have vacuum tube communications available[emp hard],with emergency power, and stock the shelters...

Keep the Faith For Freedom

MAY GOD BLESS AND PROTECT THIS HONORABLE REPUBLIC.

Greg

136 posted on 12/14/2001 8:08:17 PM PST by gwmoore
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To: mathurine
Will my car run on radioactive oil? Will it be easier to put in the car in the dark? :)
137 posted on 12/14/2001 8:29:04 PM PST by ALinArleta
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To: onyx
Gosh, I thought it was a man in drag.
138 posted on 12/14/2001 8:33:38 PM PST by Calpublican
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To: cmotormac44
Thank you very much for your part in this war! My generation is forever indebted to you.
139 posted on 12/14/2001 8:35:36 PM PST by Economist_MA
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To: Jarir16
You'll want to remember that at least five Israelis were arrested, held for over a month and then deported for filming the event and laughing about it.

You might want to remember those were Isreali Arabs. Nice try, though.
140 posted on 12/14/2001 9:10:19 PM PST by wasp69
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