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"A response to Andrew Sullivan" - By Salon's Managing Editor, Re: Bush Assassination Cartoon
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| December 13, 2001
| Scott Rosenberg
Posted on 12/14/2001 12:17:27 PM PST by Timesink
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posted on
12/14/2001 12:17:27 PM PST
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Timesink
To: Timesink
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posted on
12/14/2001 12:18:13 PM PST
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Timesink
To: Timesink
Shouldn't Scott be out on the nearest corner hawking apples to make the next payroll? Daylight's burnin', pardner.
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posted on
12/14/2001 12:22:24 PM PST
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SoDak
To: Timesink
Who reads Salon, anyway?
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posted on
12/14/2001 12:23:09 PM PST
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AlguyA
To: Timesink
Garry Trudeau and our own Tom Tomorrow Now THAT'S a pair of fair-haired beauties!
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posted on
12/14/2001 12:24:53 PM PST
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js1138
To: GoreIsLove;toddst;Straight Vermonter;Croooow;Drango;Ragtime Cowgirl;Uncle George;Bahbah...
Ping!
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posted on
12/14/2001 12:27:34 PM PST
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Timesink
To: Timesink
How Clintonesque, Rosenberg.
Tell ya what, slick: I'll write about you getting skinned alive. Of course, it'll be in the context of a nightmare within a nightmare, so you'll just have to deal with it. If you complain, I, too, will look down my nose and snort about what an unsophisticated, shallow rube you are.
P.S. Hey, Rosenberg......one other point. I know for a fact that folks have received visits from the Secret Service for less. Chew on that.
To: *Salon Deathwatch
Indexing for Salon Deathwatch bump list.
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posted on
12/14/2001 12:32:37 PM PST
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Timesink
To: Timesink
I certainly want to be on that bump list. And thanks for doing the impossible link. Wasn't that a smarmy little comment on Rosenberg's part!
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posted on
12/14/2001 12:37:39 PM PST
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Bahbah
To: Bahbah
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posted on
12/14/2001 12:44:08 PM PST
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Timesink
To: Andrew Sullivan list
Indexing for Andrew Sullivan bump list.
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posted on
12/14/2001 12:44:44 PM PST
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Timesink
To: Timesink
So much ink and too little time. The creditors are lining up to take what's left (not much).
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posted on
12/14/2001 12:46:34 PM PST
by
TADSLOS
To: Timesink
All you have to do is actually read Lay's comic to see that Sullivan is simply wrong. (If you don't want to, you may rest assured that what happens in the comic -- in a nightmare sequence -- is the following: A President Bush who has been magically converted to the cause of oil conservation is suddenly shot by faceless assassins. The violent act is presented as a Bad Thing, as well as a dream within a dream; when the narrator says she "liked how [the nightmare] started out," she's obviously referring to Bush's new conservation stance, not to his murder.) I hate to say it, but I read the comic yesterday when it was posted here on FR and this is exactly the way I read it too. Salon is right on this one and Sullivan is wrong.
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posted on
12/14/2001 12:48:41 PM PST
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mlo
To: js1138
Tom Tomorrow is a blabbering asshole. our local "progressive" rag covers that sh!tty comic "This Modern World", and Salon, my local progressive rag, and This Modern World aren't even good enough to wipe the @ss of my neighbor's dog.
i'm sorry for the language but it makes me THAT #$*%ING MAD!!!!
To: Timesink
"All you have to do is actually read Lay's comic to see that Sullivan is simply wrong. (If you don't want to, you may rest assured that what happens in the comic -- in a nightmare sequence -- is the following: A President Bush who has been magically converted to the cause of oil conservation is suddenly shot by faceless assassins. The violent act is presented as a Bad Thing, as well as a dream within a dream; when the narrator says she "liked how [the nightmare] started out," she's obviously referring to Bush's new conservation stance, not to his murder.) So, Scott, since the murder which you say was not depicted, is shown as a "Bad Thing", then it is ok to depict, dream or no dream, the violent assassination of a sitting president? What are the boundaries of free speech? Could those boundaries be somewhere near the threshold of outright fraud, as your entire tortured explanation seem be deteriorating into? Rather than a puerile and dissembling response to Andrew Sullivan, you might have saved some shred of your doomed e-rag's dignity if you had penned an apology to President Bush and your erstwhile readers for running that factually vacant and embarrassing "cartoon strip", and fired that talent less and tasteless cartoonist, whats-her-name. But, leave it to Salon to make it's own death that much more agonizing by poisoning the very swamp it is currently drowning in. Ta ta, suckers.
To: Richard Axtell
Well said.
To: mlo
I think the cartoon is poorly written enough that it can be interpreted either way, yours or Sullivan's. A lot of people consider the "starting out" part to be the entire first dream, not just the very first panel.
In any case, I still think the main problem is that it's illegal to discuss assassinating the actual living president at all, even as "humor." You want to write a story about President Bartlet taking a bullet, go right ahead. But not President Bush. The Secret Service is supposed to investigate ANY such incident, no matter how benign. This cartoonist obviously is no actual threat, but all that means is she shouldn't end up arrested. It doesn't mean she shouldn't be paid a little visit, just like any other American would be.
I guess, in short, this bugs me because they're acting elitist. If one of us got drunk in a bar and started spinning such a tale, the guys in sunglasses would be pounding at our door within hours. But because she's a writer for a prestigious publication [barf], Salon thinks she, and they, are above the law. And I say the hell with that.
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posted on
12/14/2001 12:57:30 PM PST
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Timesink
To: Timesink
Rosenberg's comments about Lay's cartoon is just more leftist vomit about leftist vomit. Both of these fools are irrelevant.
To: Timesink
Thanks for the heads up!
To: RightOnline
I had a dream within a dream that Salon was going broke.
Oh wait, it came true!
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posted on
12/14/2001 1:13:40 PM PST
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JoeSchem
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