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Karl Rove: Stayaway Christians Almost Cost Bush Election
Charisma News ^ | 12/13/01

Posted on 12/13/2001 7:50:35 AM PST by 11th Earl of Mar

STAYAWAY CHRISTIANS ALMOST COST ELECTION

Many Christians believe that prayer played a major role in sending George W. Bush to the White House, but stayaway believers came close to losing him the election, according to his chief political adviser, Karl Rove.

Rove said that one reason the 2000 election was so tight was that as many as 4 million Christian conservatives did not go to the polls, reported "The Chicago Tribune." Although the Bush campaign had expected 19 million evangelical voters to vote for their man, election returns revealed only 15 million turned out to cast ballots.

Speaking yesterday at an American Enterprise Institute seminar, Rove said the Bush campaign "probably failed to marshal support of the base as well as we should have," said the "Tribune." Rove added: "But we may also be returning to the point in America where fundamentalists and evangelicals remain true to their beliefs and think politics is corrupt and, therefore, they shouldn't participate."

Rove said that if the "process of withdrawal" went on it would be bad for the country as well as conservatives and Republicans. "It's something we have to spend a lot of time and energy on."


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2000; christianvote; karlrove; napalminthemorning; rove; wot
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To: Wyatt's Torch
Let me answer this way: I voted for Howard Phillips in 2000.

Never crossed my mind to not vote at all. That neuters you more quickly than anything.

261 posted on 12/13/2001 10:09:32 AM PST by John R. (Bob) Locke
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To: theoldright
From your comments it seems appropriate to ask: If you could end abortion by flying an airliner into a large building containing thousands of people, would you do it?
262 posted on 12/13/2001 10:10:15 AM PST by Semper
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To: John R. (Bob) Locke
But if Allard loses to some Demonrat, and that means Pat Leahy can block pro-life justices as Chairman of the Judiciary Committee, what does that accomplish? I'll take a fair percentage of perfect from a guy.

Could you live with putting some Pat Schroeder wanna-be in place of Allard or Campbell? They vote pretty well on the issues. Not perfect, but far better than some Denver or Boulder liberal. Is making a point worth a far-left Senator?

263 posted on 12/13/2001 10:11:13 AM PST by hchutch
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To: BplusK
However, since now for a while, Bush has been leading this country in the right direction, Christian people should have more confidence in Bush.

I disagree. The prosecution of the war effort has been a positive, but proposing a budget larger than anything Clinton ever dreamed up and expanding the size and scope of the federal government is not the direction I want to see the country led.

264 posted on 12/13/2001 10:12:14 AM PST by John R. (Bob) Locke
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To: butter pecan fan
and my son has a picture of Eddie Eagle on his wall

Correct me if I am wrong, but I suspect this "son" of which you speak was conceived in the normal way. You are truly sick.

265 posted on 12/13/2001 10:13:01 AM PST by LarryLied
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To: Mercuria; diotima; sheltonmac; Askel5; DoughtyOne; tex-oma; A.J.Armitage; x; ouroboros
ping
266 posted on 12/13/2001 10:13:26 AM PST by Scholastic
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To: theoldright; 11th Earl of Mar; wideawake
What's with all the Bush bashing? I admit that the abortion issue is important, but you will never change it by legislation. It will take education. Change takes a long time. Let's try to lighten up a bit.
268 posted on 12/13/2001 10:14:47 AM PST by Heff
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To: George Frm Br00klyn Park
ping
269 posted on 12/13/2001 10:15:22 AM PST by Scholastic
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To: LarryLied
Correct me if I am wrong, but I suspect this "son" of which you speak was conceived in the normal way. You are truly sick.

????

explain comment?

270 posted on 12/13/2001 10:16:37 AM PST by butter pecan fan
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To: John R. (Bob) Locke
And I just want to say that the Republicans have been nearly as busy as the Democrats in pushing that socialist agenda. Not quite as busy, but not that far behind either.

If you're promoting a 3rd party, It think you're blind. If so, you might as well be a Democrat plant who learned a really cool lesson after the Green Party cost Gore 600+ votes in Florida.

If you really believe Republicans were just as bad as Democrats, you'd spend an equal amout of time debating on The Democrat Underground. That's their Ideological Base, This is that of the RP. Both simply obscure their objectives and soften their platform in order to appeal to a population that supports neither. Don't divide us in our real battle.

271 posted on 12/13/2001 10:17:28 AM PST by elfman2
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To: theoldright; 11th Earl of Mar; wideawake
Thank you folks for pointing out the obvious about what we have now in the White House. The more things "change" the more they stay the same.

Six in one (Bush), half a dozen in the other (Gore). Big diffrence lol!

272 posted on 12/13/2001 10:17:38 AM PST by Scholastic
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To: rdb3
Let me see if I have this straight.

We stay home because the candidate doesn't go all the way in our beliefs, often on just one single issue. Meanwhile, others who could not have a decent conversation about the issues are dragged to the polls to vote. So, while those on our side sit on the sidelines as a matter of "principle," the other side gets elected and shoves everything we hate down our throats in droves and droves.

Do I have this right?

Isn't that why we got 8 years of Clintonista hell thrust upon us?

273 posted on 12/13/2001 10:17:45 AM PST by kstewskis
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To: hchutch
Is making a point worth a far-left Senator?

The basic debate here is pragmatism versus idealism. I'm of the latter. I'm more than willing to accept some short-term losses if the probability of long-term gains exists. In my opinion, they do.

And in my book, voting against the Constitution on a regular basis makes for an unacceptable candidate. Can I live with some things? Yes. But I have drawn a certain line and am not willing to cross it. Others have as well, though it's considerably to the left of where I stand. Those are in the pragmatist camp.

The pragmatists call the idealists "stupid" for not being willing to settle for what they can get.

The idealists think the pragmatists are a bunch of "sellouts".

Each of us needs to be right in our own mind.

274 posted on 12/13/2001 10:17:55 AM PST by John R. (Bob) Locke
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To: philosofy123
OK Christians, we have no other candidate. Just hold your nose, and vote for W !

Why hold our noses? The majority of us were happy to vote for Bush. I think that most Christians know that we have to have realistic expectations. We don't expect to agree with Bush (or anyone) all the time. And we are electing a president, not a king. Bush does not have unlimited power to pass laws. He has to engage in politics, which involves compromise, and being polite and nice to those that don't deserve it.

275 posted on 12/13/2001 10:18:56 AM PST by Sci Fi Guy
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To: proud patriot
I'm happy to live in a country where I can worship Ozzy if I want to.
276 posted on 12/13/2001 10:19:47 AM PST by Bella_Bru
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To: elfman2
Sometimes I think the Republicans are worse than the Democrats.

When was the last time you looked at the GOP's platform and compared it to what they actually do?

At least the Democrats quit pretending to not be big-government socialists some time ago. The GOP is still holding on to the facade.

It's the difference between BIG government and big government.

277 posted on 12/13/2001 10:23:27 AM PST by John R. (Bob) Locke
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To: theoldright
Bush is a LIBERAL and you folks are suckers if you don't believe it.

That's right - I guess you prefer Hilary to become President the next time. Get real - or real politik. You represent about 5 - 10% of the voting public. ALL mainstream politicians are ALWAYS going to be of the left of you - there just isn't any room to your right. So, knowing that ALL serious contenders are to your left, HOW far to the left do you want to go - to Bush or to Clinton?

That is reality. Naderites found everyone, even Gore, to their right, but they weren't practical and now they are living with a President far to their right.

278 posted on 12/13/2001 10:24:46 AM PST by billreillyiii
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To: theoldright
Many of those who died for the preservation of the Republic, are heathens in your book. The US Armed Forces has never declined recruits based on their religious beliefs.

The White House is the house of ALL Americans, regardless of race, creed, or political ideology.

279 posted on 12/13/2001 10:25:50 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Scholastic
Karl Rove is a propagandist and political op, plain and simple.

His hubris in speaking so plainly only underscores for me the absolutely duplicitous lip-service paid to faithful Christians by the "Christ is my favorite philosopher" crowd.

Believe it or not, not all Christian consciences are desensitized such that they rejoice in Big Brother's proffer of partnership or mistake Bush's decision on ECSR for some sort of "winning" compromise.

The "stay-away" Christians are likely those as yet have their primary loyalty to Christ rather than the GOP.

I realize the GOP would like to subvert the faithful the same way the DNC and Israel have claimed primary loyalty of all but traditional Jews but there will always be those of us who resist the urge to place our faith in some Cult of Personality or rabid nationalism.

280 posted on 12/13/2001 10:28:07 AM PST by Askel5
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