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Is America a Socialist Country?
Bumper Statements web site, Editor's Corner ^ | December 13, 2001 | The Editor@BumperStatements.com

Posted on 12/13/2001 7:37:16 AM PST by John SBM

Socialism is still a dirty word in American politics. But, like an obese person who looks in the mirror and see a thin reflection denying they are fat, America is in a state of denial. If we look the evidence is there, but rather than admit it we refuse to acknowledge the word. Does evasion of the fact change the reality?

Every major historic period can be categorized by the dominant philosophy of the time. We know them. The Dark Ages, The Renaissance, The Enlightenment. And we know what each label represented as the dominant, generally accepted ideas of the time. These labels are attached however, not during the period, but after, when we can see them in the context of history. Whether we label our current period as Post-Modern or whatever, in historic context it could be labeled as The Altruist Evasion.

Altruism is the dominant, generally accepted idea underlying all of our political and cultural discourse, and it permeates both political parties. The ideas that economic rights are the basic rights of all Americans, that the government exists to promote the welfare of some at the expense of others, that we owe “service” and must “give back” to society – these are the basic premises of every issue. And Pragmatism rules every action – action for the sake of the emotional benefit of action rather than the result. Altruism demands pragmatic approaches, because it is based on emotional arguments and collapses when faced with principled challenges. Altruism is the underlying support for socialism, where group rights are primary, individual rights are disposable.

Take a look. The tax code exists to transfer wealth; the total tax burden exceeds 50% and is the single biggest expense for most working Americans. Politicians gain power through the give and take of economic rights and benefits – look at the economic stimulus debate. We talk of the right to housing, to health care, to prescription drugs, to guaranteed retirement, without ever asking “at whose expense?”

Ayn Rand summarized this very simply – when you abandon one set of principles you adopt another. We have abandoned the principles of individual rights and accepted those of economic rights – the degree of socialization doesn’t change that fact. We can evade the word “Socialism”, but that doesn’t change the reality.


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To: DallasJ7
I pay 50% in taxes. The largest thing I own (home and land) is mine as long as I continue to pay a lease (property tax). If I stop, I loose it. In fact, any thing that retains value over time is mine only on lease.
81 posted on 12/13/2001 9:05:48 AM PST by gjenkins
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To: exmarine
You are giving me another issue raised by detractors and critics. How about you read the book, examine the ideas for yourself, and then reach a conclusion as to the quality of the ideas. Keep in mind that rejecting an idea based on a personal attack on who espouses it is a logical falacy.
82 posted on 12/13/2001 9:06:35 AM PST by John SBM
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To: DallasJ7
Social Security does not make us a socialist nation.

The land grabs in the West, the collapse of public schools, the encroachment of international law, and with it, the destructive tyranny of the environmentalists, do.

83 posted on 12/13/2001 9:06:44 AM PST by Carry_Okie
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To: dwollmann
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Wow, talk about a short answer. Which country spends the most money on social programs?

-USA

84 posted on 12/13/2001 9:07:12 AM PST by VRW Conspirator
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To: John SBM
Interesting Point It is like this. I could say I like to be healthy and not sick. I like to be free and not confined. I like to be safe and not fearful. The point is that these are ideas that relate to my personal experience. If I was to say I would like to be facist and not communist I am not really saying a whole lot about my well being or my personal experience. I could be in a capitalistic country and still be starving. Or I could be in a communist country and be well fed but have little freedom to choose my occupation. I belive we should express those values that are important to us as opposed to arguing over politcal terms.
85 posted on 12/13/2001 9:09:24 AM PST by LaFontaine
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To: gjenkins
I pay 50% in taxes. The largest thing I own (home and land) is mine as long as I continue to pay a lease (property tax). If I stop, I loose it. In fact, any thing that retains value over time is mine only on lease.

FYI, real estate is not another term for actual land. I understand it comes from Spanish for Royal Land. IOW, the king's property...FWIW

86 posted on 12/13/2001 9:10:04 AM PST by VRW Conspirator
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To: DallasJ7
I think you may have overlooked the underlying pint here. We are not yet a totaly socialist country - I agree. But the ideas that are guiding most of our political debates currently are rooted in socialistic principles, not the principle of individual rights. We have accepted the socialist principles as somehow superior to the principles of individual rights. It's not a matter of degree, but of direction and the underlying premises we all accept.
87 posted on 12/13/2001 9:10:47 AM PST by John SBM
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To: VRW Conspirator
It is worth a lot! Can't even hide behind flower-dy words.
88 posted on 12/13/2001 9:11:54 AM PST by gjenkins
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To: Impeach the Boy
Wow, a personal attack. I prefer to attack ideas and unexamined premises that guide our thinking. Sorry if that offends you!
89 posted on 12/13/2001 9:13:21 AM PST by John SBM
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To: LaFontaine
Touche. Your distinction makes sense to me. But I still think you are better off starving in a free country, than well fed in a communist country. In one you can change your ciscumstance, in the other you can only accpet it or die.
90 posted on 12/13/2001 9:16:34 AM PST by John SBM
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To: John SBM
YES! 65% of my income goes to taxes, of which over half goes to social programs. If 65% isn't socialism, then what is?

Just because we elect our leaders, doesn't mean we are not socialists.

91 posted on 12/13/2001 9:16:50 AM PST by PatrioticAmerican
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To: PatrioticAmerican
I think the accepted term is democratic socialism. It just means the politicians use government programs to buy votes rather than buy loyalty!
92 posted on 12/13/2001 9:18:40 AM PST by John SBM
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To: LinnieBeth
"Socialism = Blend of private & state ownership of produce, proceeds distributed primarily by State through populace. "

Mail, airports, air traffic control, airport security, highways, education, alcohol (in many states), sea ports, libraries, to name a few of the government owned and operated business.

These are basic industries that do not need to be federally owned. So, think again about socialism. We may not have Jolly Roger candy owned by the feds, but the feds do control the daily aspects of our lives. Also, the feds may and do have the power to own and control any industry it wants. The stroke of the pen is law, today. A non-socialist government has safeguards against federal takeovers, but we do not.

93 posted on 12/13/2001 9:22:09 AM PST by PatrioticAmerican
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To: John SBM
No denying it, the answer is yes...
94 posted on 12/13/2001 9:24:18 AM PST by wwjdn
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To: BlueLancer
I would love to know the number of ways that we come up short on the definition.
95 posted on 12/13/2001 9:24:55 AM PST by Teacher317
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To: wwjdn
Doncha just hate it?
96 posted on 12/13/2001 9:26:02 AM PST by Khepera
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To: John SBM
You are giving me another issue raised by detractors and critics. How about you read the book, examine the ideas for yourself, and then reach a conclusion as to the quality of the ideas. Keep in mind that rejecting an idea based on a personal attack on who espouses it is a logical falacy.

I know a little about the objectivism of Ayn Rand, and I know a little about her personal life. I think it is also a mistake to embrace an idea espoused by a flawed individual as your lifelong philosophy. If her philosophy was so good, why was her personal life so messed up? Are you saying it wasn't messed up? Shouldn't objectivism (the be all to end all for Rand sycophants) have manifested itself in Rand's life in such a manner as to make objectivism desirable for its effects?

You posted an article that uses Ayn Rand as an authority. What makes her an authority? What exactly are the manifestations of objectivism that make it so desirable as a philosophy? What will it do for your life? I really would like to know (honestly).

97 posted on 12/13/2001 9:28:30 AM PST by exmarine
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To: John SBM
I prefer to think that when we get to the point where we consider the income tax to be a form of discrimination, it will be a good start.

I couldn't agree more!

GOVERNMENT DISCRIMINATION

98 posted on 12/13/2001 9:29:23 AM PST by Bigun
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To: PatrioticAmerican
Mail, airports, air traffic control, airport security, highways, education, alcohol (in many states), sea ports, libraries, to name a few of the government owned and operated business.

I agree in principle, but in the interest of accuracy, most of that list is comprised of local government agencies and special districts. Even regulatory government can be privatized.

99 posted on 12/13/2001 9:31:26 AM PST by Carry_Okie
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To: John SBM
Is America a Socialist Country?

YEP, 'fraid so. FREEDOM is an endangered species.

It is now against the law in Galveston TX to leave your keys in your parked car. A $200 fine for doing so. A socialist's state's way of compelling "proper" behavior?

How long before the state makes not eating your vegetables a misdemeanor?

100 posted on 12/13/2001 9:32:10 AM PST by muleboy
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