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Is America a Socialist Country?
Bumper Statements web site, Editor's Corner ^ | December 13, 2001 | The Editor@BumperStatements.com

Posted on 12/13/2001 7:37:16 AM PST by John SBM

Socialism is still a dirty word in American politics. But, like an obese person who looks in the mirror and see a thin reflection denying they are fat, America is in a state of denial. If we look the evidence is there, but rather than admit it we refuse to acknowledge the word. Does evasion of the fact change the reality?

Every major historic period can be categorized by the dominant philosophy of the time. We know them. The Dark Ages, The Renaissance, The Enlightenment. And we know what each label represented as the dominant, generally accepted ideas of the time. These labels are attached however, not during the period, but after, when we can see them in the context of history. Whether we label our current period as Post-Modern or whatever, in historic context it could be labeled as The Altruist Evasion.

Altruism is the dominant, generally accepted idea underlying all of our political and cultural discourse, and it permeates both political parties. The ideas that economic rights are the basic rights of all Americans, that the government exists to promote the welfare of some at the expense of others, that we owe “service” and must “give back” to society – these are the basic premises of every issue. And Pragmatism rules every action – action for the sake of the emotional benefit of action rather than the result. Altruism demands pragmatic approaches, because it is based on emotional arguments and collapses when faced with principled challenges. Altruism is the underlying support for socialism, where group rights are primary, individual rights are disposable.

Take a look. The tax code exists to transfer wealth; the total tax burden exceeds 50% and is the single biggest expense for most working Americans. Politicians gain power through the give and take of economic rights and benefits – look at the economic stimulus debate. We talk of the right to housing, to health care, to prescription drugs, to guaranteed retirement, without ever asking “at whose expense?”

Ayn Rand summarized this very simply – when you abandon one set of principles you adopt another. We have abandoned the principles of individual rights and accepted those of economic rights – the degree of socialization doesn’t change that fact. We can evade the word “Socialism”, but that doesn’t change the reality.


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To: LaFontaine
Wow! Are you saying ideas don't matter? If so, the rest of you points don;t really matter either, because they flow from an idea.
61 posted on 12/13/2001 8:46:10 AM PST by John SBM
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To: proud patriot
What you say is nothing but leftist garbage

So the "Left" is never right about anything? What if they said the sky was blue? Could I have been wrong all this time? If you disagree with specific points I'll be happy to clarify my thoughts.
62 posted on 12/13/2001 8:46:12 AM PST by verboten
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To: verboten
We are socialist because property is no longer owned by individuals. It is owned by the government. When you have property taxes you are in effect renting the property from the government. If you do not pay your "rent" you are evicted or disallowed from exerting control over your property.

...never thought of it that way before. I still think I'd prefer property tax levied by a local gov, than income tax levied by the feds.

63 posted on 12/13/2001 8:46:58 AM PST by fix
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To: Don Myers
You are correct. Many Christians are so busy trying to love others and be socially correct, they cannot see the evil that they are actively trying to bring to this nation.

"Social correctness" is not compatible with biblical Christianity. True Christians are guided by absolute moral principles espoused by Jesus Christ. The truth doesn't change- social norms do.

You have it backwards - it is society (sick culture) that is driving uncommitted Christians into buying its poison.

65 posted on 12/13/2001 8:47:20 AM PST by exmarine
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To: John SBM
If Ayn Rand and her philosophy is so pure and true, why was her personal life so messed up? There seems to be a disconnect here.
66 posted on 12/13/2001 8:49:53 AM PST by exmarine
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To: exmarine
""Social correctness" is not compatible with biblical Christianity. True Christians are guided by absolute moral principles espoused by Jesus Christ. The truth doesn't change- social norms do. You have it backwards - it is society (sick culture) that is driving uncommitted Christians into buying its poison."

There is nothing that could happen in the Churches that isn't internal. Ministers, in many cases, preach a social gospel. They do not discipline Church members. Ministers themselves act like unsaved people. What is happening in the Churches is a lack of leadership to guide the Christians who need someone to guide them. That is the job of pastors.

68 posted on 12/13/2001 8:53:11 AM PST by Don Myers
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To: bloodmeridian
"is this nationalistic bigotry more troubling because it feeds big government or because it blinds some of us who claim to be nationalists?"

It troubles me more because if feeds big government, which, in my opinion, is Constitutionally given very limited powers. Those powers continue to usurp the freedoms of the people, taking them from rulers of the government and government being our servants to government ruling us and we being the servants.

There is nothing at all wrong with nationalism as long as that passion does not blind us into doing the very things that will destroy our traditional Constitutional form of government

69 posted on 12/13/2001 8:53:34 AM PST by tberry
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To: buffyt
YES.

And Atlas Shrugged sure helps me understand what is going on today. Ayn Rand left us a roadmap to follow to see just how bad/big the socialism is in USA.

Whew.....

I was afraid that I was the only one......

Thanks !!

70 posted on 12/13/2001 8:57:11 AM PST by Alabama_Wild_Man
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To: proud patriot
So your neighbor is decent why? Because he lives next to you? I guess your argument is that if you happen to live in the confines of the US government then you are made into a good person. Otherwise I don't know how it is I'm supposed to discern the good from the bad in the world. And if only US citizens are good, why would any of us want to deal at all with the outside world? Shouldn't we just wall ourselves up?
71 posted on 12/13/2001 8:59:19 AM PST by verboten
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To: John SBM
Is America a Socialist Country?

Actually, it's well on the way to being a *fascist* country.

72 posted on 12/13/2001 8:59:53 AM PST by Jefferson Adams
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To: verboten
If you disagree with specific points I'll be happy to clarify my thoughts.

Which is to say that they are deliberately murky. This allows for situational ethics followed immediately by selective amnesia: a very effective and characteristically fascist tactic.

73 posted on 12/13/2001 9:01:14 AM PST by Carry_Okie
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To: Don Myers
There is nothing that could happen in the Churches that isn't internal. Ministers, in many cases, preach a social gospel. They do not discipline Church members. Ministers themselves act like unsaved people. What is happening in the Churches is a lack of leadership to guide the Christians who need someone to guide them. That is the job of pastors.

Sheep are easily mislead - that is why the bible compares people to sheep. Sheep are stupid and so are people. It is only be becoming familiar with the Truth that one can recnogize a lie. You are right that many ministers are preaching heresy and political correctness - when they should be teaching their flocks to love Jesus Christ AND OBEY HIS COMMANDS. Many mainline churches are essentially apostate there is no question about that. Going to church does not make one a Christian any more than going to Germany makes one a German.

74 posted on 12/13/2001 9:01:18 AM PST by exmarine
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To: John SBM
I'm surprised by all the yes responses. Of course we're not socialist. Obviously we're not an outright socialist country; even the most leftist of the European countries aren't outright socialist, although some make it fairly close. So we have to judge it on a scale. But even on that scale, we are far more capitalist than socialist. Our entire economy runs on a capitalist system. We may be more socialist than we were 100 years ago, but we still have a long way to go before we become more socialist than capitalist. Sorry, but Social Security does not make us a socialist nation.
75 posted on 12/13/2001 9:01:58 AM PST by DallasJ7
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To: OneIfByLand
"what does that say about socialism?"

It says that socialism is a very effective virus living of the fruits born of individual liberty. It doesn't change the fact that it is a ponzi scheme which will eventually crash.
77 posted on 12/13/2001 9:03:27 AM PST by gjenkins
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To: John SBM
I disagree with a caveat. I think the Dems have done a great job of confusing the notion of Christian charity with that of state-run redistribution. If you argue with government programs, you are mean and cruel and don't want to help others!

Touche!

I have made this connection to every liberal I encounter. That true compassion starts and ends with Jesus. That this compassion is part of our culture. After all, he is the one who gave us the principal of "the good Samaratan(sp)". This tends to gall the left, because compassion by Christianity has moral accountability of the giver and receiver.

78 posted on 12/13/2001 9:04:34 AM PST by VRW Conspirator
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To: John SBM
Isn't a sham that the VAST majority of Americans are just do thick of skull, just can't see the great enlightenment that YOU knowers of all truth can see?...(everytime someone DISAGREES with you boys, you say it is because they just can't understand).
79 posted on 12/13/2001 9:04:43 AM PST by Moby Grape
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To: Don Myers
There is nothing that could happen in the Churches that isn't internal.

This is incorrect. The problem is that sick culture (an external influence) is being brought in the churches by corrupt leaders. You can't possibly believe that the churches thought up this stuff (pro-homosexuality, feminism, etc.) on their own.

80 posted on 12/13/2001 9:05:18 AM PST by exmarine
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