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Celebrating 470 years of an ongoing miracle, the apparition of Our Lady of Guadalupe 1531
Catholic History | 12 12 2001 | Cap'n Crunch

Posted on 12/12/2001 7:21:41 AM PST by Cap'n Crunch

In the year 1531 in Mexico, the Holy Virgin Mary appeared to Juan Diego, a peasant who was converting to Catholicism. It was the 9th of December, the original feast day of the Immaculate Conception, when Juan Diego was on his way to the Church for instruction and to hear Holy Mass. Juan heard someone calling him "Juanito...Juan Dieguito." Juan Diego looked to the top of Tepeyac Hill and saw a lady of overpowering brillance and beauty, who's garments shone like the sun. She appeared to be about 14 years old.

The Lady introduced herself in these words: "Know for certain, dearest of my sons, that I am the perfect and perpetual Virgin Mary, Mother of the True God, through whom everything lives, the Lord of all things, who is Master of Heaven and Earth. I ardently desire that a temple be built here for me where I will show and offer all my love, my compassion, my help and my protection to the people. I am your merciful Mother, the Mother of all who live united in this land, and of all mankind, of all those who love me, of those who cry to me, of those who have confidence in me. Here I will hear there weeping and sorrows, and will remedy and alleviate their sufferings, necessites and misfortunes." She told Juan Diego to go the Bishop Zumarraga and tell him what he had seen and heard.

Juan Diego bowed reverently and said "My Holy One, my Lady, I will do what you ask of me."

Bishop Zumarraga had been sent by Spain to the New World to convert and instruct the native people. At that time in Mexico human sacrifice to the gods Quetelcoatl and Coatlicue, and various other pagan gods were occuring, as many as 20,000 victims would be sacrificed at the dedication of a temple.

Bishope Zumarraga had not been having much success converting the Aztec and native people and distrust and anger was spreading amongst the two. He had been praying to God for assistance and a sign, the sign was that of roses. Roses would be the sign that Bishop Zumarraga wanted in order to know that he was doing the right thing. But now it was December and roses were not blooming.

Juan Diego arrived and was greeted by the Bishop. The Bishop welcomed him warmly but upon hearing his story dismissed him pleasantly. Juan Diego thought he had failed and after hearing Mass and instruction returned to his home.

Our Lady appeared to him again, asking him if he had had success with the Bishop. Juan told Our Lady that he did not think the Bishop believed him and that perhasps she should send someone of greater importance. Our Lady smiled at Juan Diego, telling him that she had chosen him to be the deliverer of the message and urged him to return to the Bishop the next day and again make the request.

Juan Diego did return the next day and again gave the Bishop the message. Bishop Zumarraga was surprised to see Juan Diego again so soon. He questioned him a bit at length and again dismissed him. Now he wondered if there were something too Juans message. Before dismissing Juan Diego the Bishop told Juan that he needed a sign from the Lady to be convinced. Juan asked the Bishop what kind of sign he would like and he would tell the Lady the Bishops reequest. The Bishop told Juan that he would leave the sign up to the Lady to deliver.

On his way back home Juan Diego again encountered Our Lady. He told her that the Bishop had requested a sign but did not say what the sign should be. Our Lady told Juan: "That is very well,my little son, return here tomorrow and you will have the sign he requested." She also told him that he would be rewarded for all he had done on her behalf.

When Dec. 11th came Juan Diegos uncle, Juan Bernardino, was gravely ill and Juan Diego stayed by his side and did not go to the Bishop. All night he prayed and attended to his uncle until the morning of the 12th when his uncle took a turn for the worse. Juan wanted to get a priest to enable his uncle to recieve the sacraments before he died.

Juan now had a dilemma, if he went past Tepeyac hill he was sure to encounter the Lady. He wanted to get the priest in order to bring him to his uncle before he died but did not want to disappoint Our Lady so he decided to go around the other side of Tepeyac hill. He thought that surely Our Lady would understand.

As Juan Diego tried to duck Our Lady he was suddenly intercepted by her, as she called out to him "What is the matter my little son?" "Where are you going?" Juan explained to the Lady "Noble Lady, it will grieve you to hear what I have to say. My uncle, your poor servant, is very sick. He is suffering from the plague and is dying. I am hurrying to the Church in Mexico City to call a priest to here his confession and give him the last rites. When I have done this, I will return here immediately to convey your message." "Please forgive me and be patient with me. I am not decieving you. I promise to faithfully come here tomorrow with all haste."

There was a pause. Our Lady looked at Juan Diego and uttered the words that have rung down through nearly 5 centuries. "Listen and let it penetrate your heart, my dear little son, do not be troubled or weighed down with grief. Do not fear any illness or vexation, anxiety or pain. Am I not here who am your Mother? Are you not under my shadow and protection? Am I not your fountain of life? Are you not in the folds of my mantle? In the crossing of my arms? Is there anything else you need?" She then assured Juan that his uncle would not die from his illeness and at this very moment was cured.

She told Juan to go to the top of Tepeyac Hill and pick as many flowers as he could carry and bring them down to her. Juan climbed the hill and could not believe the multitude of Castilian Roses blooming on the top. They were blooming out of season. He gathered as many as he could carry and brought them down to Our Lady, who arranged them in his tilma (poncho made of cactus plant fibers. Our Lady arranged them and folded them up in Juans tilma. She told him that this was the sign that the Bishop wanted and to take them to him.

Juan Diego finally got in to see the Bishop with his bundle. The Bishop recieved Juan and Juan told him the following. "Your Excellency, I obeyed your instructions, very early this morning, the celestial Lady told me to come and see you again. I asked for the sign which you requested and which she had promised to give me. She told me to climb to the top of the hill where I had previously seen her, to pick the flowers growing there. I knew quite well that the summit of the hill was no place for flowers to grow, especially this time of year, but I did not doubt her word. When I reached the top, I was astonised to find myself surrounded by beautiful flowers. I plucked as many as I could carry and brought them back to her. She arranged them with her own hands and replaced them in my robe in order that I might bring them to you. Here they are. Behold, recieve them." With that Juan Diego released the ends of his tilma and the flowers, mingled with Castillian Roses, cascaded to the floor in a profusion of colour and perfume.

Zumarraga gazed speechless at the roses, the sign that he had been praying for peace in the country. Full of wonder he lifted his eyes back up to Juan Diego to find that the tilma now had an image of Our Lady appearing on it.

From that day, December 12th 1531, the tilma has survived, miraculously. At that time 8 million Mexicans and Aztec Indians converted to Catholicism. The human sacrifice to the pagan gods ceased.

For nearly 500 years there have been miracles through Our Lady and the tilma. Scientists have studied it, socialist revolutionaries tried to destroy it, there have been volumes written about the tilma, which is very much like the Shroud of Turin.

On this feast day of Our Lady of Guadalupe, which means to the Aztecs "she who crushes the head of the serpent" I would urge you to read the story, say some special prayers to Our Lady, particularly to end the human sacrifice of abortion in this country.


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To: pro-life
I am not familiar with the catholic church...

That's abundantly clear. Odd that someone with the screen name of "pro-Life" is ignorant of the original Christian church. Most pro-lifers tend to be Catholic, since the Catholic Church is pro-life...

141 posted on 12/12/2001 12:02:19 PM PST by conservonator
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To: biblewonk
Juan Diego finally got in to see the Bishop with his bundle.

'tis very funny. Thank you for the laugh. :-)

SD

142 posted on 12/12/2001 12:03:15 PM PST by SoothingDave
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To: wtc911
That comment came in response to a post that said Mary was eternally a virgin. Which I disagree with....As well as the entire emphasis that you place on her....by the way ...where is that scripture?
143 posted on 12/12/2001 12:04:38 PM PST by Delbert
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To: TexasRepublic
Your fortunate, I hope to see the Tilma one day. I think it looks like a painting because it is a painting. I'm glad you have faith, thats a great gift. All I ask is for people who have never heard about the image or the appearances to give it a look and decide for themselves. Many people are unaware that this event took place.

Best wishes.

144 posted on 12/12/2001 12:05:42 PM PST by Cap'n Crunch
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To: wtc911
Deuteronomy 5
vs6
"I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.
7
"You shall have no other gods before [14] me.
8
"You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below.
9
You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me,
10
but showing love to a thousand [generations] of those who love me and keep my commandments.
This includes the virgin mary , cactus cloth ponchos and cinnamon rolls.
145 posted on 12/12/2001 12:13:19 PM PST by Delbert
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To: biblewonk
Without feeling the need to be courteous themselves because they always have the "I'm defending my mother" attitude which lets them be hyper offended whenever they want.

When attacked by the discourteous fundamentalists, one tends to give as one gets.

We get our backs up when called Romanists, yet you insist on dropping your stink bombs on the Catholic threads.

That's fine. If you want to lob insults, expect to get them back.

146 posted on 12/12/2001 12:13:59 PM PST by sinkspur
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To: lavaroise
I understand that in San Jose, California they were considering, and may have already built, a statue to the Aztec god Quatzlcoatl in a public park.

Satan is strong right now but his time is running out.

147 posted on 12/12/2001 12:14:24 PM PST by Cap'n Crunch
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To: hunyb
Gee, I thought that 'praying to' was worship!

You thought wrong. Prayer means, "to ask", worship means "extreme devotion to or reverence of". Worship can include prayer but prayer in and of itself does not necessitate worship.

Happy to clear this up for you.

148 posted on 12/12/2001 12:16:06 PM PST by conservonator
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To: Delbert
That comment came in response to a post that said Mary was eternally a virgin.

Before this gets too out of hand, I just thought I'd point out that the original post (# 93) was a quote from Luther.
149 posted on 12/12/2001 12:19:44 PM PST by eastsider
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To: AnalogReigns
I'm well aware of Luther's alleged mariology. The key thing is he never claimed authority (and can therefore be wrong about things...), rather only pointed to our only full authority the scriptures--which never show the kind of Mary your Mexican story suggests... a temple for her? wow... One now, and then, has to choose the Bible, or the Roman church...

There is nothing "alleged" about Luthers devotion to Mary. And by the way, sola scriptura is un-Biblical.

150 posted on 12/12/2001 12:19:55 PM PST by conservonator
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To: sinkspur
'Blest are you when they insult you and persecute you and utter every kind of slander against you because of me. Be glad and rejoice, for your reward is great in heaven; they persecuted the prophets before you in the very same way.'
151 posted on 12/12/2001 12:23:20 PM PST by Cap'n Crunch
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To: newgeezer
Thanks. Sorry to be such a Berean but, do you have a Scripture reference for that, please?

It's right after the reference to "Bible alone". :-)

152 posted on 12/12/2001 12:23:28 PM PST by conservonator
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To: eastsider
sorry about that ...wtc911 got me a bit irate...he seems to be carrying a grudge as opposed to wanting to be in a genuine lighthearted discussion...had no recourse but to attack back....peace out.
153 posted on 12/12/2001 12:28:44 PM PST by Delbert
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To: conservonator
> Thanks. Sorry to be such a Berean but, do you have a Scripture reference for that, please?

It's right after the reference to "Bible alone". :-)

And no doubt very near to the reference giving the pope du jour carte blanche to make it up as he goes. ;-)

Whoa; never thought I'd ever use four French words in a row, let alone correctly(?). 3:30 PM...better switch to decaf.

154 posted on 12/12/2001 12:36:48 PM PST by newgeezer
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To: sinkspur
I expect to get them no matter what I say. FR is not much more than a p*ssing match.
155 posted on 12/12/2001 12:36:52 PM PST by biblewonk
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To: Cap'n Crunch

156 posted on 12/12/2001 12:40:40 PM PST by d4now
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To: biblewonk
FR is not much more than a p*ssing match.

Well, next time you come on a Catholic thread accusing Catholics of not being "Christian," make sure you drink lots of water.

157 posted on 12/12/2001 12:41:34 PM PST by sinkspur
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To: Delbert
I've been there plenty of times myself : )
158 posted on 12/12/2001 12:44:10 PM PST by eastsider
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To: sinkspur
LOL.
159 posted on 12/12/2001 12:46:46 PM PST by d4now
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To: sinkspur; biblewonk
Well, next time you come on a Catholic thread accusing Catholics of not being "Christian," make sure you drink lots of water.

Using the To n links, I have followed this thread all the way back (and had some great laughs along the way; you da man, 'Wonk!!). However, I can't find where biblewonk "accused Catholics of not being Christian."

160 posted on 12/12/2001 1:12:32 PM PST by newgeezer
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