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DNR, Horse riders to saddle up at bargaining table.
Register-Herald Beckley, WV ^ | November 26, 2001 | Nerissa Young

Posted on 12/10/2001 3:13:45 PM PST by countrydummy

http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=2687812&BRD=2086&PAG=461&dept_id=348406&rfi=6 Top Stories DNR, Horse riders to saddle up at bargaining table By:Nerissa Young, staff November 26, 2001 Charles Lester of Ballard shows on a map a few spots where he and fellow horse riders are allowed to ride. (Sarah Garland/The Register-Herald) INDIAN MILLS - The Bluestone Wildlife Management Area wasn't big enough for the both of them. One had to leave. Area horse-riding clubs have been evicted from the public lands after clearing more than 12 miles of trails, and state Division of Natural Resources officials admit they stepped in it. "We're just really sorry for the miscommunication," DNR spokesman Hoy Murphy said. "This has been a wake-up call for us." Robert Beanblossom, district administrator for DNR's Parks and Recreation Section, said, "We should have cleared that with (the) Wildlife (Section) first ... We have tried to use this as a learning experience." Delegate Mary Pearl Compton, D-Monroe, said 18,000 acres ought to be enough room for wildlife, hunters, anglers and horseback riders to peacefully co-exist. "This whole thing was mishandled, and it should never have happened." Charles and Brenda Lester of Ballard are founding members of the Cherokee Trail Riders horse club. Last year, they wrote Parks and Recreation officials to request adopting trails in Bluestone Wildlife Management Area at Barton Ridge, Buffalo Creek, Red Sulphur Turnpike and Cherokee Falls. State parks officials granted them a written permit to cut and maintain the four trails for horseback riding. A dozen members worked nine- and 10-hour days opening the trails, which still had a lot of debris from Hurricane Hugo. Members used their own tools, equipment, tractors and gasoline to clear about 13 1/2 miles. Each time they rode, they carried out their own litter and what others had cast aside. To respect the rights of campers, they mowed adjacent grasslands for tie lines to keep horses and manure from degrading campsites during overnight rides. Members of the Buckhorn Trail Riders and Mountaineer Trail Riders in Princeton joined the Cherokee club. Horse enthusiasts from Virginia, North Carolina and South Carolina came north for benefit rides to support various causes. A cut of the proceeds was given to state agencies for hosting the rides on public land. Suddenly, last spring, the hospitality ended. "They stopped us because they said we were disturbing the turkey brood," Brenda Lester said. Club members learned DNR Wildlife and Parks officials planned a May 10 meeting at BWMA headquarters here to discuss trail use. Charles Lester said officials told riders all trail use would end immediately. They offered to not ride during hunting season and to leave their dogs home as a compromise. "This has been an issue ever since I've been in the Legislature," Compton said. For at least 15 years, horseback riders have sought access to the area. She said she has worked during her tenure to open roads and access to BWMA, which fronts the New River and includes the mouth of Indian Creek. "I like going down there ... It is just an outstanding area." She suggested the parties gather at headquarters to resolve the matter. Wildlife officials pledged to study it, look at maps and designate trails. They agreed on a second meeting to arrange a compromise. "What happened was Parks and Wildlife met at Pipestem State Park to decide what they were going to do ...," Compton said. "They made the decision, and they decided where the horsemen would ride." Charles Lester agreed the meeting never happened. Wildlife officials never gave the trail riders "a sound answer" why they were evicted. He suspects they want the public land for their own use. "They just flat out don't want us in their woods." Murphy said wildlife management areas are not eligible for the adopt-a-trail program. Parks manages the campground and maintenance facilities. Wildlife has jurisdiction over everything else. The federal government acquired the land during Bluestone Dam construction, and the state leases it. Beanblossom said, "You've got to balance the outputs of the land with protecting the resource base." Managing the wild turkey habitat is DNR's primary concern. "No one was trying to give (horseback riders) a hard time." Murphy said if Wildlife officials had known of the trail permit, they may have been able to arrange a compromise. Because federal money and state license sales subsidize BWMA, its use is restricted to hunting and fishing. "The more you develop it, the worse it would get ... We're not against horseback riding, but a trail does damage." He added the state maintains several parks with abundant public recreational uses. Charles Lester said the club cut a narrow trail width to minimize disruption. One trail improved access to hunting and fishing areas near the mouth of Indian Creek. Brenda Lester said riders saw a turkey hen and carefully rode around the nest. When they returned six weeks later, they saw the mother with her brood. Murphy and Beanblossom said DNR fielded no complaints about the horseback riders. It was a simple case of improper access allowed by the state. DNR is forming committees to improve internal communication and ensure no similar mistake occurs. Compton said the state reneged on its permit, which is a bad precedent. "I think Wildlife needs to stick to the agreement." State officials should make some accommodation to the trail riders, who performed a public service in good faith. State officials did give them alternate trails, all of which are paved and gravel roads used for vehicular traffic. Beanblossom said, "I know we haven't pleased all the user groups." Murphy said he hopes the riders will return to BWMA to use the campsites and approved trails. Charles Lester said, "We'll probably just go somewhere else." Riders are migrating to Bland, Va., where officials accommodate them on public lands and collisions with vehicles aren't a safety concern. Compton said riders are taking with them thousands of dollars spent on camping and riding supplies bought from locally owned stores. Brenda Lester stood at the mouth of Buffalo Hollow and surveyed some of the 350 blackened acres damaged in wildfires Nov. 3-4. "They're worried about this with horses. Now look at it." ©The Register-Herald 2001


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1 posted on 12/10/2001 3:13:45 PM PST by countrydummy (countryd@stargate.net)
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To: countrydummy
This is just plain dumb. Horses are not going to do damage. What does the DNR think roamed that land prior to their getting their grubby mits on it? Interaction of species is part of the big picture - species adapt - and that is good for them. And what's with picking up the horse poop? Last time I looked it was biodegradable. Soon only tree huggers will get to go on "public" lands.
2 posted on 12/10/2001 3:29:10 PM PST by Endeavor
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To: Endeavor
It is dumb, but the left just loves it. There is a move within all the federal and state land management departments to eventually keep everybody in their homes.
3 posted on 12/10/2001 4:15:43 PM PST by elbucko
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To: Endeavor
It is dumb. There is a pretty good chance that the horse trails would actually *improve* habitat. Leaving the horse apples also improves habitat by increasing fertility.

This is about power, not conserving resources.

4 posted on 12/10/2001 4:33:16 PM PST by marktwain
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To: Endeavor
Horses are not going to do damage.

No, but the tractors they brought in are going to.

Mainly, this seems like one of those stupid, 'one part of government doesn't know that the other part is doing' type situations. The citizens always lose when that happens.

5 posted on 12/10/2001 4:41:46 PM PST by Looking for Diogenes
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To: countrydummy
INDIAN MILLS - The Bluestone Wildlife Management Area wasn't big enough for the both of them. One had to leave.
 
Area horse-riding clubs have been evicted from the public lands after clearing more than 12 miles of trails, and state Division of Natural Resources officials admit they stepped in it.

"We're just really sorry for the miscommunication," DNR spokesman Hoy Murphy said. "This has been a wake-up call for us."

Robert Beanblossom, district administrator for DNR's Parks and Recreation Section, said, "We should have cleared that with (the) Wildlife (Section) first ... We have tried to use this as a learning experience."

Delegate Mary Pearl Compton, D-Monroe, said 18,000 acres ought to be enough room for wildlife, hunters, anglers and horseback riders to peacefully co-exist. "This whole thing was mishandled, and it should never have happened."

Charles and Brenda Lester of Ballard are founding members of the Cherokee Trail Riders horse club. Last year, they wrote Parks and Recreation officials to request adopting trails in Bluestone Wildlife Management Area at Barton Ridge, Buffalo Creek, Red Sulphur Turnpike and Cherokee Falls.

State parks officials granted them a written permit to cut and maintain the four trails for horseback riding. A dozen members worked nine- and 10-hour days opening the trails, which still had a lot of debris from Hurricane Hugo. Members used their own tools, equipment, tractors and gasoline to clear about 13 1/2 miles. Each time they rode, they carried out their own litter and what others had cast aside.

To respect the rights of campers, they mowed adjacent grasslands for tie lines to keep horses and manure from degrading campsites during overnight rides. Members of the Buckhorn Trail Riders and Mountaineer Trail Riders in Princeton joined the Cherokee club. Horse enthusiasts from Virginia, North Carolina and South Carolina came north for benefit rides to support various causes. A cut of the proceeds was given to state agencies for hosting the rides on public land.

6 posted on 12/10/2001 4:50:07 PM PST by Elsie
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To: Elsie
Suddenly, last spring, the hospitality ended.

"They stopped us because they said we were disturbing the turkey brood," Brenda Lester said.

Club members learned DNR Wildlife and Parks officials planned a May 10 meeting at BWMA headquarters here to discuss trail use. Charles Lester said officials told riders all trail use would end immediately. They offered to not ride during hunting season and to leave their dogs home as a compromise.

"This has been an issue ever since I've been in the Legislature," Compton said. For at least 15 years, horseback riders have sought access to the area. She said she has worked during her tenure to open roads and access to BWMA, which fronts the New River and includes the mouth of Indian Creek. "I like going down there ... It is just an outstanding area."

She suggested the parties gather at headquarters to resolve the matter. Wildlife officials pledged to study it, look at maps and designate trails. They agreed on a second meeting to arrange a compromise.

"What happened was Parks and Wildlife met at Pipestem State Park to decide what they were going to do ...," Compton said. "They made the decision, and they decided where the horsemen would ride."

Charles Lester agreed the meeting never happened. Wildlife officials never gave the trail riders "a sound answer" why they were evicted. He suspects they want the public land for their own use. "They just flat out don't want us in their woods."

Murphy said wildlife management areas are not eligible for the adopt-a-trail program. Parks manages the campground and maintenance facilities. Wildlife has jurisdiction over everything else. The federal government acquired the land during Bluestone Dam construction, and the state leases it.

Beanblossom said, "You've got to balance the outputs of the land with protecting the resource base." Managing the wild turkey habitat is DNR's primary concern. "No one was trying to give (horseback riders) a hard time."

Murphy said if Wildlife officials had known of the trail permit, they may have been able to arrange a compromise. Because federal money and state license sales subsidize BWMA, its use is restricted to hunting and fishing. "The more you develop it, the worse it would get ... We're not against horseback riding, but a trail does damage."

He added the state maintains several parks with abundant public recreational uses.

Charles Lester said the club cut a narrow trail width to minimize disruption. One trail improved access to hunting and fishing areas near the mouth of Indian Creek.

Brenda Lester said riders saw a turkey hen and carefully rode around the nest. When they returned six weeks later, they saw the mother with her brood.

Murphy and Beanblossom said DNR fielded no complaints about the horseback riders. It was a simple case of improper access allowed by the state. DNR is forming committees to improve internal communication and ensure no similar mistake occurs.

Compton said the state reneged on its permit, which is a bad precedent. "I think Wildlife needs to stick to the agreement." State officials should make some accommodation to the trail riders, who performed a public service in good faith.

State officials did give them alternate trails, all of which are paved and gravel roads used for vehicular traffic.

Beanblossom said, "I know we haven't pleased all the user groups."

Murphy said he hopes the riders will return to BWMA to use the campsites and approved trails.

Charles Lester said, "We'll probably just go somewhere else." Riders are migrating to Bland, Va., where officials accommodate them on public lands and collisions with vehicles aren't a safety concern.

Compton said riders are taking with them thousands of dollars spent on camping and riding supplies bought from locally owned stores.

Brenda Lester stood at the mouth of Buffalo Hollow and surveyed some of the 350 blackened acres damaged in wildfires Nov. 3-4. "They're worried about this with horses. Now look at it."

7 posted on 12/10/2001 4:51:07 PM PST by Elsie
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To: Elsie
Brown shirts don't want anything but power.
8 posted on 12/10/2001 5:43:15 PM PST by Cowgirl
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To: Elsie
Thank all of you for your replies! These folks need help! I am trying so hard to help them, but, to be honest, to help myself as well! Because we are all in the same general location! This is all about a big land grab! Please see our website to understand more! http://www.newriverfriends.org this site tells it better than I can in words.....
9 posted on 12/10/2001 5:51:38 PM PST by countrydummy
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To: Elsie
This is what the paper quoted Mr. Lester as saying, but he does not want to nor wish too! He feels this is the only alternative! Not! I am telling you all this is one of the biggest land grabs on the Eastern Seaboard! Being done a little at a time so as not to draw to much attention all at one time!
10 posted on 12/10/2001 6:02:49 PM PST by countrydummy
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To: countrydummy
We HAVE TO stop arguing each point these agencies are doing to strip us of our freedoms in America and ask ourselves: WHY?

Why is our government wanting people off federal owned (note, I DIDN'T say "public") properties. Is it because the United Nations--third world entities--have management/control of over 75 % of our National Parks now?

Is it REALLY to protect the wildlife, the natural resources, a horse from stepping on a turkey egg (after that same agency has neglected the land and left acres and acres to burn and destroy those SAME turkeys?)

Hum, or do you think, each ploy by these agencies is part of a bigger ploy to gain control and access of our most valuable pristine areas, ripest with our most valuable natural resources?

Seems strange to me, they strip us of our private property, our recreational freedoms, charge us to drive through or view a small portion of them.....or......are they "saving" them for the perpetuity of THEIR future? Let's stop questioning each action and question the motive behind ALL these actions being perpetrated on American citizens under the 'DIS'guise of "resource protection", "tourism dollars" TURKEY EGGS!!!!

(That's better than the excuses they've used to steal OUR homes /farms / fishing camps / houses /trailers / businesses along the New River, Countrydummy!! The National Park Service FORGOT ABOUT THE TURKEY EGGS!! DARN! :-)

11 posted on 12/10/2001 6:57:30 PM PST by NewRiver
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To: Syncro
Horses are not going to do damage.

Apparently they don't know The Babe.

12 posted on 12/10/2001 7:02:41 PM PST by LurkerNoMore!
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To: NewRiver
I agree! It is just so hard to sort through all of it sometimes! But it all means one thing......the lose of land ownership and private property rights! We must do something to see to it that we are a government by the people.....for the people..... We are loosing this! All in the name of the "public" good....we have got to stop this madness!
13 posted on 12/10/2001 7:08:32 PM PST by countrydummy
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To: LurkerNoMore!
Apparently, care to tell me about this?
14 posted on 12/10/2001 7:10:59 PM PST by countrydummy
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To: countrydummy; Ms. AntiFeminazi
Don't get me wrong.... I'm a horse lover. I have a mare and am curently training my 19 month old colt.

The only thing that mare would damage is a carrot crop!

15 posted on 12/10/2001 7:21:48 PM PST by LurkerNoMore!
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To: countrydummy
Greetings to: http://www.newriverfriends.org
I am one of those tourists spoken of on your page. My church's youth group came in the spring (a day after the floods!) to raft the New.

I'm behind you in your wish to retain local control. I still have bumper stickers on my van from July 4th, 2000 Jarbidge, NV road closing protest trip. I was there when the stone was rolled away!

16 posted on 12/11/2001 3:20:01 AM PST by Elsie
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To: countrydummy
Got the ping! look for FRmail.

'Pod

17 posted on 12/11/2001 4:47:13 AM PST by sauropod
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