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You're really a piece of work, pcl. I didn't say we didn't discuss contraception. I said we advocate abstinence. What we DON'T teach our daughter is to devalue herself and toss caution to the wind...and grab the condom on the way. To have sex is planned, even in the heat of passion. It's not a slip up.

I'll say it again...you've advocated free and promiscuous sex in teenagers saying you wouldn't want to deny them their natural desires. Could you liken yourself to Larry Flynt? He introduced his daughters to sex...personally...by porn and molestation. Do you advocate this? Or did you personally 'just' encourage your kiddos to *go for it?

In your discussion with pcl, there are many degenerates and perverts walking the streets. This nation has become a breeding ground for these people. Unfortunately, even those who have a proper upbringing are not immune to the influence of society, and we have a sick society. Morally, we are down the tubes as a nation. And any nation that loses its moral compass is destined for the trashbin. That is where we are going.The thing to do now is look for as much good as you can find, and try not to concentrate on the bad. It is hard to be sane in an insane world.