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GUN SHOW LOOP HOLE IS A BLACK HOLE OF STUPIDITY
Gun Laws of America | 12.08.2001 | Alan Korwin

Posted on 12/09/2001 7:08:54 PM PST by CHICAGOFARMER

GUN-SHOW BILL IS NOT WHAT THEY SAY

GUN-SHOW BILL IS NOT WHAT THEY SAY

GUN-SHOW BILL IS NOT WHAT THEY SAY

CONTACT YOUR SENATORS AND CONGRESSMEN AND TELL THEM SO!

Re: S. 890, The McCain-Lieberman Bill: "Gun Show Loophole Closing and Gun Law Enforcement Act of 2001."

by Alan Korwin, Author Gun Laws of America

Mass media publicity on the newly proposed gun-show bill is grossly inaccurate.

The bill has almost nothing to do with what you've probably heard so far. The so-called "gun-show loophole" headlines are a minor detail and basically obscure what the bill really does.

I've just finished studying the eight pages of legalese. Here is it what it calls for:

1. Unprecedented federal control over gun shows nationwide -- perfectly legal gun shows become strictly outlawed without prior federal approval, licensing and registration of each show;

2. Centralized federal licensing and registration of every gun-show promoter in the nation;

3. Centralized federal registration of every vendor -- including non-gun vendors -- at any gun show in the country. In order for me to sell my BOOKS at a gun show I'll have to pre-register and prove who I am, or face arrest; a private individual looking to sell a single gun would be treated as a vendor under this law and must be registered even if the gun isn't sold;

4. Centralized federal registration of EVERY PERSON who attends a gun show in America, whether or not they make purchases of anything at all -- you won't be allowed in without registering; 5. Centralized collection of "any other information" on gun-show attendees, as determined solely by the Secretary of the Treasury;

6. Imprisonment for attending a gun show and failing to give up any information required by regulations of the Secretary of the Treasury;

7. Imprisonment of any gun-show promoter who fails to register a single vendor;

8. Imprisonment of gun-show promoters who cannot prove they notified every person attending a gun show of the new rules, and obtained from attendees any information the Secretary of the Treasury mandates by regulation;

9. Centralized collection of "any other information" the Secretary of the Treasury decides, by regulation, is necessary on vendors, attendees, and the gun show itself;

10. Submission by gun-show promoters of vendor registration logs a) 30 days before any gun show, and b) additional submission of updated vendor registration logs 72 hours before any gun show, and c) additional submission of vendor registration logs within five days of the close of any gun show, under penalty of arrest and imprisonment for non-compliance;

11. Identification of vendors only by use of federally approved photo ID that may include use of a social security number, electronically encoded data, or "biometric identifiers" such as fingerprint, voice print, retina scan, iris scan, or similar (as defined under 18 USC 1028(d)(2));

12. Creation of a new license (in addition to a gun-show-promoter license), similar to FFLs, for individuals who want access to the NICS national background check system for facilitating gun-show sales for private citizens;

13. Regulations to be issued by the Secretary of the Treasury on the procedures, data collections, methods and implementation of the entire process to federally control gun shows, in addition to the requirements made by the proposed statute; such regulations will not be known, drafted or even suggested, until after the McCain-Lieberman law is enacted;

14. The proposed bill also puts pressure on state governments to make at least 95% of their law enforcement records for the past 30 years openly available to the federal government; and

-- makes unlimited funds available for the states to comply with these federal goals;

-- requires annual federal review of states' compliance;

-- increases penalties (up to ten years imprisonment) for record-keeping violations;

-- grants states permission to make even more restrictive requirements without being out of compliance with these new federal laws (and by implication, puts states that resist these rules in federal trouble);

-- provides hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars for more law enforcement under numerous programs including project Exile and others;

-- hires 200 more Federal BATF Agents;

-- provides $10 million to the National Institute for Justice to give out for research on "technologies that limit the use of a gun to the owner"; and

-- provides for annual reports (in great detail) by the Attorney General to Congress on whether the Brady law is working;

15. Enlargement of the federal bureaucracy and appropriation from taxpayers of "such funds as are necessary" to license, register and monitor an estimated ten million non-criminals who attend the thousands of gun shows held annually in America; and

16. Oh yes, I almost forgot about the so-called "loophole" part the media is so excited about -- the McCain-Lieberman bill will make an honest private citizen a criminal for transferring a gun to another honest private citizen, without first registering the transfer with, and getting permission from, the federal government (represented by the FBI at its data complex in Clarksburg, West Virginia).

Transfer or possession of a firearm to or by a criminal (a "federally prohibited possessor") is completely unaffected by the McCain-Lieberman "loophole" bill, so I guess it's accurate to characterize it as a loophole bill.

To sum up: Perfectly legal gun sales -- with no victims or criminal activity of any kind -- are outlawed at gun shows by the McCain-Lieberman bill, unless the sale is pre-registered with the federal government; real crimes are totally unaffected; and your friends in the federal government take over full control of gun shows -- which have been previously free of government infringement for more than 200 years.

Please write your local news outlet and politely request a correction.

Permission to circulate or use any or all of this report is granted, provided my credit and contact information is included.

Alan Korwin, Author Gun Laws of America

Bloomfield Press, 4718 E. Cactus #440 • Phoenix, AZ 85032 • 602-996-4020 • alan@gunlaws.com • http://www.gunlaws.com • "We publish the gun laws."

LOTS OF NEW MATERIAL UP AT: GUNLAWS.COM

GUN SHOW BILL IS NOT WHAT THEY SAY

http://www.gunlaws.com/McCainLieberman.htm Mass media publicity on the proposed McCain-Lieberman Gun Show Bill is grossly inaccurate. It's really about federal registration of gun shows, vendors, and every person who attends. Detailed analysis in plain English.

GUN SHOW BILL IS EVEN WORSE

http://www.gunlaws.com/evenworse.htm Could Close Gun Shows Completely If anyone at a gun show offers (not even sells, but offers) a gun to anyone else at the show -- even a gun they don't have with them -- the seller, buyer, AND gun show operator can be arrested. You don't even need a prohibited possessor (a criminal) involved. No operator will run a show with that kind of legal risk. Full plain-English descriptions, with citations.

SHOULD CONGRESS CLOSE DOWN GUN SHOWS?

http://www.gunlaws.com/McCainLieberman2.htm

The McCain-Lieberman bill practically requires gun-show closures -- but they're not mentioning it, and the media doesn't know it. Here is a Letter to the Editor, a short and sweet summary, that you can mail yourself to wake up your local reporters.

WILL BUREAUCRATS CLOSE TONTO FOREST TO THE PUBLIC?

http://www.gunlaws.com/TontoClose.htm

Federal bureaucrats running the Tonto National Forest (2.9 million acres of public land basically north of Phoenix) are talking about closing sections to public access. One of the main goals is to eliminate outdoor marksmanship.

BATF PROVES GUN LAWS WORK

http://www.gunlaws.com/batf prove gun laws work.htm

Stunning enforcement refutes "loophole" phobia Sting puts teeth back in dozens of forgotten critical laws The top of the Sunday paper proclaimed: "Sting Targets Gun Shows" Here's what was missing.

RANDOM GUNFIRE ON THE RISE

http://www.gunlaws.com/ShannonsLaw.htm

Is Media Reporting Accurate?

Arizona Gun Safety Forum On April 21, 2001

http://www.gunlaws.com/gun safety forum.htm

"To help dispel ignorance and bigotry about firearms, and to explore their beneficial purposes" Unite To Promote Gun Safety

THE VIRGINIA GUN OWNER’S GUIDE V UPDATE4

http://www.gunlaws.com/vgogup.htm

Changes to Edition 3 that appear in Edition 4 Virginia's gun laws grew in 2000 by 6.7%, to a total of 36,486 words. All the changes and a list of the bills and statutes affected are included in the update.

THE LIBERTY POLL

http://www.gunlaws.com/the liberty poll.htm

Rewrites the book on questions for political candidates -- Try a few of these next time you're in earshot of a politician. A collaborative effort by Alan Korwin, Mike Anthony, Vin Suprynowicz.

DOES LOOPHOLE ALLOW GUN SALES WITHOUT “NICS” CHECK?

http://www.gunlaws.com/escapeclause.htm

"Escape Clause" Was Designed For FBI Computer Failure Federal Suspension of Bill of Rights Runs 4 Days

ARIZONA

http://www.gunlaws.com/agog19.htm

Gun law grew by 6.7% in 1999, with the following laws: 12-714 New For 1999 Lawsuit Protection 12-820.02 Amended In 1999 Qualified Immunity Enhancement 13-1204 Amended In 1999 Aggravated Assault 13-1406 Amended In 1999 Date Rape Drugs 13-3115 Added In 1999 DPS Bullet Lab 13-3116 New For 1999 Body Armor 17-273 New For 1999 Range Protection 33-1368 Amended In 1999 Tenant Rentals A brief preview of the changes for 2000 appear at the end of the 1999

POLITICALLY CORRECT

http://www.gunlaws.com/politicallycorrect.htm

View/print a PDF version

http://www.gunlaws.com/pdf/PCdGlossary.pdf

Click hereto get Adobe's Acrobat PDF reader for free.) We've all talked about how we're losing the war of words in the struggle for our liberties. People who would deny your rights have done a good job of manipulating the language so far. Without even realizing it, you're probably using terms that actually help the people who want to disarm you. Well here comes the cavalry.

TEXAS

http://www.gunlaws.com/tgogup.htm

The Texas legislature enacted 27 different bills in 1999 that effected the state's gun laws. I've finished the massive job of detecting and describing them, from the more than 1,500 bills that passed. An updated 4th Edition of the well known "Texas Gun Owner's Guide" contains all the changes and is being released this week (2/7/00). A free summary of the update is available on the web, click "Position Papers and Updates" at http://www.gunlaws.com. Here's the list of bills: HB 436 - Trespass on agricultural land HB 525 - U. S. Forest Service authority HB 592 - Instructor background checks HB 635 - Taking weapon from peace officer HB 668 - Street gangs HB 690 - Criminal mischief penalties HB 957 - Conditions for arming deputies HB 998 - Burglary includes assault HB 1265 - Carry on Superfund site penalty HB 1269 - Detention of armed delinquents HB 1428 - "Restrain" redefined HB 1933 - CHL mental check and fees HB 2231 - Rail-car burglary definitions HB 2825 - Antique, curio, relic and black powder arms HB 2869 - Probation conditions for kids with guns HB 3517 - Sanction levels for armed juveniles SB 24 - Repetitious assault on family SB 43 - Reporting gunshot wounds SB 50 - Protective order gun and ammo notification SB 93 - Gun-free assisted living facilities SB 131 - Hospital 51 sign exemption SB 152 - Escape by juveniles SB 370 - DPS statistics on CHL SB 404 - Peace officer CHL after retirement SB 717 - Conditions for government lawsuits against gun companies SB 1368 - Technical corrections, overhaul of Chapter 411 (CHL law) SB 1558 - Criminal trespass includes aircraft; HCR 57 - ChildrenÕs Firearm Safety Week. MEET AUTHOR ALAN KORWIN AT: The Texas State Rifle Association ANNUAL MEETING February 25 - 27, 2000 Omni Richardson Hotel Richardson, Texas For info call TSRA at: 972-889-8772 Extra hot ---- "Licensed to Carry" by Greg Jeffery

A 30-State ‘Shall Issue’ Carry-License Guide

http://www.gunlaws.com/books2.htm

If you want to know what it takes to get licensed in all 30 "shall issue" states, get this book. Author Greg Jeffery produced this incredibly detailed report to compare Missouri's proposed carry law (remember "Proposition B" last year?) to all the other states. In the process he learned they were oddly lucky to see Prop B fail, because it would have been the most restrictive license nationally. He says they'll have a better draft bill next time around. Covers each state's requirements for eligibility, background checks, training requirements, permitted weapons, permit forms, waiting periods, reciprocity, penalty for unlicensed carry, applicant qualifications, places where carry is prohibited, who issues the license, what it costs, renewal fees and much more. See how your state stacks up. Packed with charts and graphs, it even includes stats on the number of licenses issued and revoked. The only other thing you'll need is a travel agent. This book is extra fine. For more info, or to get a copy,

take a peek at our books

http://www.gunlaws.com/books.htm

VIRGINIA

http://www.gunlaws.com/vgogup.htm

The legislature was busy in 1998 and 1999, increasing gun law 4.4% and 5.8% respectively, to a new total of 34,184 words. The new 3rd edition of "The Virginia Gun Owner's Guide" contains all the changes, and the update list is now available for anyone interested, numbered to match the prior edition of the guide. See ”Position Papers and Updates

http://www.gunlaws.com/updates.htm

ARIZONA

http://www.gunlaws.com/agogup.htm

The new state reciprocity list is posted, along with some thoughts about the whole concept of having reciprocity -- instead of what you might recall we used to have -- Second Amendment rights. See Position Papers and Updates

New State Guides Available

http://www.gunlaws.com/books2.htm

We have obtained a supply of gun law guides for -- NEW JERSEY NEW MEXICO NEW YORK TENNESSEE UTAH WASHINGTON STATE to see them

Do you know of a gun-law guide for another state? Please let us know

mailto:alan@gunlaws.com too!

FEDERAL

http://www.gunlaws.com/gloaup.htm

Federal gun law grew by 5.75% in 1998 to a total of 88,584 words (nothing changed in 1999). Most people have never heard about any of this. Now posted in plain English, ready for download. The new 3rd edition of "Gun Laws of America" contains all the statute language, and the committee report text, plus the "gists" posted here. See Position Papers and Updates

SHANNON’S LAW

http://www.gunlaws.com/ShannonsLaw.htm

Arizona is wrestling with a classic case of a feel-good do-nothing law that tramples the rights of honest people while doing nothing to stop the crime it pretends to address. National implications here, especially if the excellent alternative proposal, a tax credit for firearms training, takes hold and passes instead. See SHANNON’S LAW

THE BYRNE GRANT

http://www.gunlaws.com/ByrneGrant.htm

Contains all the details on obtaining federal grant money for training the public in marksmanship and the safe use and handling of guns. See Position Papers and Updates

THE BIG LIE

http://www.gunlaws.com/BigLie.htm

What do you say to people who tell you the Second Amendment doesn't protect your rights (as it always used to)? This editorial has been widely published by newspapers and flew the email circuit; it is available for download and sets the facts straight. Show it to revisionists who would disembowel rights Americans have always had, and ask them to personally volunteer for "the citizen's gun-free pledge," instead of trying to disarm you. See Position Papers and Updates

NICS CLOSES GUN STORES MORE THAN 8 DAYS

http://www.gunlaws.com/brady8day.htm

Gun sales nationwide have been shut down for more than eight days by the FBI; they blame the computer for this abrogation of your rights. Get news about the National Instant Background Check you won't see in the papers or on TV.

THE ONLY QUESTION ABOUT GUN REGISTRATION

http://www.gunlaws.com/gunreggie.htm

The "common-sense" proposal to list America's gun owners overlooks a simple but crucial point -- how would writing down my name, or your name, help stop crime? Before enormous fortunes are spent on making national lists of innocent people, these issues must be examined. Read this compelling, researched editorial, and perhaps decide to send it to the media in your town. See Position Papers and Updates

http://www.gunlaws.com/updates.htm

This update has been brought to you by: Alan Korwin BLOOMFIELD PRESS "We publish the gun laws." 4718 E. Cactus #440 Phoenix, AZ 85032 Phone 602-996-4020 FAX 602-494-0679 Orders 1-800-707-4020

www.gunlaws.com

http://www.gunlaws.com/index.htm

At the risk of sounding too mercenary, people like yourself who think deeply about these subjects would likely benefit from and enjoy a copy of my book "Gun Laws of America," now in its fully revised third edition (1999). You can look at it HERE

http://www.gunlaws.com/gloa.htm

But wait, why should I apologize? I believe in free markets, private ownership of property and capitalism!! If you're fighting for your rights and it leaves you broke, maybe you could be doing a better job somehow!! (The antis have no compunction about raising money for their cause.) ----------------------------------------------

Of all the deaths caused by crime, accident, disaster and maniacs, they hold a distant back seat to the murders and atrocities committed against people by governments. "No nation has the right to keep and bear arms unless its people have the right to keep and bear arms."

--Alan Korwin

Only the rulers should be armed. --U.N. agenda --------------------------

"After a shooting spree, they always want to take the guns away from the people who didn't do it." --William Burroughs, 1992

GUNS ARE FOR SAFETY

GUNS STOP CRIME

GUNS SAVE LIVES


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To: GussiedUp
Re: post #59
Great!
61 posted on 12/10/2001 1:48:47 PM PST by MrMuse
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To: CHICAGOFARMER
BTTT
62 posted on 12/10/2001 6:05:52 PM PST by MrMuse
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To: MrMuse
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63 posted on 12/11/2001 8:22:50 AM PST by MrMuse
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To: spanky_mcfarland
Also, any gun owner worth his/her salt would much rather defend the homestead with a 12 gauge than some pimp-ass handgun.

Anyone who expected to need a firearm to defend herself would in most cases be better served by a shotgun than a handgun. If she isn't particularly expecting to be attacked (or even if she is), however, carrying around a shotgun is rather a nuisance. While a handgun isn't quite as effective a defense weapon as a ready shotgun, a handgun which is handy is far superior to a shotgun which is somewhere else.

Actually, of the three most common classes of firearms (rifles, shotguns, and handguns), the handgun is the one whose usages tend the most toward defense. If someone is planning to commit a crime, the extra effort required to carry a larger weapon for a few minutes isn't apt to be a problem. Even if the larger weapons force criminals to wear less comfortable attire than they otherwise would, they'd only have to do so for a few hours. Since a criminal knows when he'll need his weapon, he need only go through the effort of carrying it then.

By contrast, someone who wishes to be able to defend themself with a gun cannot know the time or place their gun will be needed. They thus have to keep their gun handy to ensure it will be available if and when it's needed. While carrying a somewhat hacked shotgun for a few hours wouldn't be onerous, carrying a shotgun day after day, year after year, would get old pretty fast. By contrast, simply holstering a firearm in the morning and removing it in the evening is much less inconvenient.

64 posted on 12/11/2001 9:33:44 PM PST by supercat
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To: Fiddlstix
BTTTT
65 posted on 12/13/2001 12:31:33 PM PST by MrMuse
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To: CHICAGOFARMER
Every gun law beyond the second ammendment, including state and local is null and void.
66 posted on 12/13/2001 12:35:58 PM PST by exnavy
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To: Fixit
to fixit

yep you are right!!

The text www. is ok below. I searched the properties and found that freepr is not accepting the sash at the end of the hyperlink. Sorry. I will folloup with freepr. chicago farmer http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/587095/posts?q=1&&page=1

67 posted on 12/14/2001 12:26:33 PM PST by CHICAGOFARMER
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68 posted on 12/14/2001 12:30:28 PM PST by CHICAGOFARMER
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To: M1991
Now you have 1/10 of 1 percent of the worlds bad people assaulting women, children, mothers, grandmothers, old people who are defenseless, (in killing zones).

120,000 street policemen in America absolutely can not protect you from bad guys. Just ask Miami with 200,000 unanswered 911 call annually within one hour.

what is your solution to this unlevel playing field??

Chicagofarmer

70 posted on 12/14/2001 1:13:51 PM PST by CHICAGOFARMER
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To: spanky_mcfarland
handguns are good for anything other than murder

Ignorance is curable by learning...

Start here:

-Keepandbeararms--New & Agressive

-JPFO--Our Jewish Friends

-TheFiringLine--Tech info, good forum

-New Home of the TRT!

-The Second Amendment Sisters

-Women Against Gun Control--

-the Second Amendment Foundation

-Gunfacts--Ammo for the War of Words-hosted by one of FreeRepublic's own--

-http://www.liberty-belles.org--

SUSSA

Statistical Facts Gun-haters Run From


And just FYI---

-Empty-Barrel Gun Policies-A legacy of nonsense from Clinton, Blair, and the Left--

-A Problem With Guns (Long... but SOOOO good)--

Shooting More Holes in Gun Control

Gun Control Down Under

HCI Aussie Style (read it and weep-or laugh)

The Great Australian Gun Law CON!

72 posted on 12/14/2001 3:18:11 PM PST by backhoe
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to backhoe

thanks for the links.

keep the faith

73 posted on 12/15/2001 8:16:14 PM PST by CHICAGOFARMER
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To: exnavy
Every gun law beyond the second ammendment, including state and local is null and void.

Great line, It is now in my book of quotes.

74 posted on 12/15/2001 8:17:05 PM PST by CHICAGOFARMER
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To: CHICAGOFARMER
Thanks for looking.... been doing this sort of thing since about 1967, and it does get tiresome, though!
75 posted on 12/16/2001 1:04:23 AM PST by backhoe
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To: Wingy
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76 posted on 12/19/2001 9:57:01 AM PST by MrMuse
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To: spanky_mcfarland
RETORT

I have successfully changed more than one mind just by allowing them to see what little tiny piece of blue steel hangs under my arm. This has happened when I was propelling myself in my wheelchair across parking lots, on public suidewalks, in mens restrooms, etc.

Carrying a 18" 12 guage would have been terribly out of place, however the Chiefs Special was totally unnoticed by everyone except those scroungy characters who stared too hard at me. I am very proficient with it and actually could take down five attackers all with head shots should the need arise.

Or did you forget about us who cannot run or even walk fast because of a disablement. Just physically getting out of bed is a large chore for quite a few people in this country. So you hang on to your shotgun and I'll keep my .38 Special that doesn't ever jam, misfire, or have a safety to place correctly before firing. At 25 feet lets see who can place the most number of killing shots in the least amount of time. The winner buys lunch so we can discuss your attitude towards self defense.

77 posted on 04/12/2002 1:43:27 PM PDT by B4Ranch
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