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To: Valin; Khepera
If women had a leadership position in the church, this kind of nonsense about using condoms would never be a moral issue

As per the Bible:

1 Timothy 2

11 A woman should learn in quietness and full submission.

12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.

13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve.

14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.

15 But women will be saved through childbearing--if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.

Sounds to me like this is not an issue, woman cannot have authority over man.

7 posted on 12/09/2001 7:36:49 AM PST by wwjdn
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To: wwjdn
1 Timothy 2 11 A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. 15 But women will be saved through childbearing--if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.

Though you purport to quote this passage favourably, your support of condom distribution and the obvious unacceptability of the above suggest that your views are actually the reverse.

You are implying by quoting these passages that Christian theology is just as cruel as the Qu'ran.

Please say what you mean and defend your position.

25 posted on 12/09/2001 8:19:27 AM PST by Praxeologue
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To: wwjdn
Actually, this almost definitely refers to the husband-wife relationship, not all men-all women. The words for "man" and "woman", to my understanding, should better be translated husband and wife as they are everywhere else in the NT (again, from what I hear).

That actually makes more sense: it has to do with the roles between spouses when it comes to teaching; this also reconciles better with the teaching that 'there is no man or woman, Jew or Greek, slave or free in Christ,' else all women are subjected to all men.

30 posted on 12/09/2001 8:37:52 AM PST by MitchellC
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