Journalist Beaten By Afghan Mob

$43 million dollar gift to Taleban in consideration of oil pipeline from Caucases,deal goes sour,twin towers get hit-(to this day as a civilian I've had no more proof Laden did it than any other group,your right just because your tv says so isn't enough in a court of law),war in afghanistan starts,Taleban by western standards should go-but Saudi's and others summarily execute and do all that bad stuff too,the precedent is set,anyone who disagrees with US hegemony can now be called a 'terrorist' and there are some places like the middle east,the Phillipines and others they need to be cleaned up.Heres my problem you don't go for a world championship by just leading with a jab then waiting to get pummeled.You attack in a series of blows,if you wan't to be the worlds policeman,then expect to meet the worlds worst criminals(outside official entities)you haven't yet-but you will you've started a fight with people that hold grudges for hundreds of years.

Guess I need to get some sleep. Couldn't really follow what you were trying to get across other than we've picked a fight with people who hold grudges for hundreds of years, which is a sad fact. Catch you in the morning.

Im saying ,im with it for the moment,but like you reserve judgement,its starting to look a little untidy over there,are we going to leave them in a mess like Cambodia or finish something properly for once,the world has had its share of broken American promises and incompetence in the last 9 years-its looking.

sounds like hunter thompson when the hells angels wupped his @$$!
take yer medicine , boy!
(for a minute i thought it was WHORE-WALDO!)

Ok, I'll stop after this one.

We got this far without getting into the whole Israel thing, I was hoping to avoid it.

I try to only concern myself with thing that can be changed. The fact that Israel is there, and is full of Jews, is unchangeable. They ain't leaving. I don't say that because I love Jews and hate Arabs, it's just a fact. Just like the "white" man lives in the U.S. No matter how bad the methods were to rid the land of the "red" man, we are here, and nothing's gonna undo that. Just like nothing's gonna undo Israel. And regardless of all the arguments for and against, or who did what to whom, the answer to one question keeps entering my mind when I think of who's the good guys, and who's the bad guys in that situation. That question is,

If Israel gave all the land they acquired after the wars with Arabs, back to their previous occupiers, and Israel never fired a shot in anger toward any Arab, would that lead to peace in the middle East?

My answer to that, as of now, is NO. I sincerely believe that there will be, in the least, terrorist attacks designed to kill as many Jews as possible, and at worst, another full scale war to rid the region of Jews forever.

It has nothing to do with religion or race to me. It's just my belief according to what I know to be true. And believe me, I've heard both sides. I've been reading these threads on FR for a long time now. I've followed links from both sides, learned all I could, and that's how I come down.

But I don't believe for a single second that ObL gives a hoot about the plight of the Palestinians. I've seen every announcement he's made available to the U.S. in all these years, and he has never, ever given the Palestinians a mention until after he knew the hammer was coming down on him. And it was only to attempt to mobilize the Arab world to be with him, against the U.S.A.

Anybody that would purposely aim to end the lives of innocent non combatants, or incite others to do so, in order to advance some political, or religious opinion, deserves to be removed from the earth. Arafat is one, and Osama is another.

Yes, I think this reporter is right -- he should have been beaten and kicked.

Sounds like some self-hating, European/American (makes no difference) hippy to me...

The way that he "feels" about himself, his "nasty" culture, his "everything is wonderful except my own culture and race" mentality fits right in with the tone of his article.

I've been a true "victim" of his kind, teachers who were his classmates, for example, and I've managed to survive despite his generation's attempted brainwashing...

Gosh, muslims beating up journalists... I don't know who to cheer for! (-;

Brilliant! Good catch...

Poor misguided fool! His own stinking, rotting culture and philosophy could even bring him to make such statements...

'the world has had its share of broken American promises and incompetence in the last 9 years-its looking. '

Actually a lot longer than that. Its just gotten progressively worse in the past 9 years. Hard to miss anymore. The ironic part is that no one seems to ever figure that the guys at the top ('good' and 'bad') all have mutual investments in companies and if the 'bad' guy were taken out (ala saddam, qadaffi, binladen, arafat et al) it might devalue the 'good' guys investments. Thats why they are all still alive and well and ruling, while only innocent civilians get dead and buried. We need to get a clue.

'No matter how bad the methods were to rid the land of the "red" man, we are here, and nothing's gonna undo that.'

Does this mean that you are Native American? I have absolutely no desire to 'rid' the land of the red man (although someone did, to make room for the new settlers) Sound familiar? I am fascinated with Indian culture and resent the he!! out of the gross poverty that exists on some of their 'reservations', particularly Lakota.

'It has nothing to do with religion or race to me.'

Me either. Both sides in this war are of the same ethnicity, excepting, of course, the Jews who are really descended from asian/mongol tribes and who simply adopted Judeaism back in 700 AD. They are not really Jews although they call themselves such. There's not a heck of a lot of info on that out there, but it does exist if you turn over enough big rocks.

'Anybody that would purposely aim to end the lives of innocent non combatants, or incite others to do so, in order to advance some political, or religious opinion, deserves to be removed from the earth.

Now on that point you and I totally agree, excepting I probably wouldn't remove them from the earth, imprisonment would work fine for me. We just see it differently as to WHO is actually trying to push who out. And I don't see this as particularly political OR religious. Its land, pure and simple. Just like always. There's been a lot of lip service paid to G-d in America since 911, but when you come right down to it, the only ones who actually LIVE their faith on a daily basis is the Muslims. I hate hypocrasy worse than just about anything.

If the Indians hadn't been so divided by tribal differences and had had better weapons (aka the Arabs) we might now be speaking Cherokee. And if the Whites hadn't broken so many promises/treaties (aka the Israeli's) we might now be speaking Seminole.

The truth is out there, Gump. Keep looking, and then decide.