Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

***Mary Frances Berry, Victoria Wilson, Bill Clinton and Tom Daschel***
Stardate: 0112.8

Posted on 12/07/2001 9:29:58 PM PST by The Wizard

As I watch Pearl Harbor tonight, I think about the great shame these people do to those who fought and died for our freedoms:

Freedoms that these people abuse for self interest.

But then there's James and his FreeRepublic.com on the other side of the scale, and that's a mighty heavy weight indeed


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS:
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 41-6061-8081-100 ... 141-154 next last
To: VRWC_minion
"She has a strong case. She is not totally in left field."

If she has a strong case, then perhaps she should persue it.

BTW, unless I missed something, the place one persues "a strong case" is a venue known as "the courts".

What we have here is someone attempting to impose "street justice". It's not generally considered "civil" to engage in what might be politely termed "mutiny" in an attempt to short-circuit the legal process.

To put it into the vernacular, what this bitch is doing is no different from aiming a gun at a man in the street and telling onlookers that "It's OK, this sumbitch owes me money."

No, I doubt that she has a very strong case. In fact I don't think she has much of a case at all. Guerrilla tactics like this are not the stuff of "stong cases". They're the stuff of "might makes right" -- and if that's what the inner workings of the federal government has come to, then God have mercy on what's left of our country.

61 posted on 12/08/2001 11:13:39 AM PST by Don Joe
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: VRWC_minion
She has no facts on her side, only a very weak interpretation of law.

She does have facts on her side. She has the plain meaning of the statute. It doesn't ussually get better than that.

You are confusing facts with law. In any honest court (I'll admit they are few and far between), a finding of fact would be that the appointment was made so as to expire last month--this is a documented and undisputed fact. The judge would have to issue a finding of law--i.e., an interpretation of the statute.

And, her silence over the years on the length of the appointment in question leads me to conclude that she tacitly agreed with the Clinton Administration's interpretation. She picked poor ground on which to empty her magazine.

Her silence would not affect the law.

Of course her silence would not affect the law. It could, however, affect the facts. There was tacit agreement, at a minimum, of the appointment being made so as to expire last month.

62 posted on 12/08/2001 11:17:48 AM PST by PeoplesRepublicOfWashington
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: VA Advogado
"Well, using those facts then (I wasn't aware of the 1957 language) would certainly give her more amunition."

The funny thing about legal ammunition is that it only works in the legal venue, i.e., the courts.

The "self help" doctrine has fallen (as far as this IANAL is aware) into the realm of "frowned upon" even in such areas where it's been accepted in the past (or so my lawyers have told me when I mentioned some ways to deal with "problems" that have arisen "on my own".)

Trying to affect a coup d'etat in a federal agency? Good grief. Arrest her, and set the bail to the moon, Alice. Gotta make an example for others.

It's almost as if with the nation at war, the home-grown terrorist-types feel cocky enough to abscond with the goods under cloak of chaos.

63 posted on 12/08/2001 11:18:51 AM PST by Don Joe
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]

To: VA Advogado
"However if its finished up in time for the 2004 elections, we may be treated to commericials of Ms Berry being chained behind a US Marshall's armored personnel carrier and dragged out of a meeting. :)"

Realpolitik and agitprop being what they are (sadly), let's hope they're all 1) black, and 2) female.

64 posted on 12/08/2001 11:24:46 AM PST by Don Joe
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies]

To: aristeides
If that's the 1957 legislation, I don't think it's any more explicit about terms of replacement members being truncated than the current law is.

I somewhat agree. The 1957 commission was only to last 2 years. I remember reading legislation between 57 and today but cannot find it again. Maybe I was hallucinating. I'll keep looking.

65 posted on 12/08/2001 11:25:12 AM PST by VRWC_minion
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 50 | View Replies]

To: PeoplesRepublicOfWashington
You do a lot of NEPA work?

No, it doesn't stand for what you think (I assume Nat'l envir. policy act). I'm from N. E. PA.

I totally agree with you on the need for judicial reform but we are sometimes pleasantly surprised. Remember election 2000 and how a lot of us thought certain judges, like Nikki Clark, would rule against W just because of party affiliation? It turned out the only partisan judges were the FL Supremes.

W has the best legal minds working for him. VRWC_minion has valid points but I do believe Bush will prevail in court. I just hope it's sooner rather than later.

Further, the Bush admin is handling this just right. Don't back down, send the appointee to the meeting, but don't turn it into a circus and take Mary Berry's bait by forcing Wilson out with Fed Marshalls. Let a court decide and then it is a legal decision not a partisan attack by the Bush administration. It takes the wind out of the sails of the Dem argument when they try to paint Bush/Republicans as anti civil rights.

66 posted on 12/08/2001 11:30:02 AM PST by NEPA
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 59 | View Replies]

To: ChaseR
"...we may be treated to commericials of Ms Berry being chained behind a US Marshall's armored personnel carrier and dragged out of a meeting"

"If this happens, I'll bet the Republicans lose MORE Senate seats and might even lose the House. This woman and the Democrats, and the liberal press and networks - are - right now - FROTHING AT THE MOUTH in anticipation!!"

You're right. That's why they should arrest her at home, when she's leaving for "work".

67 posted on 12/08/2001 11:30:43 AM PST by Don Joe
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 47 | View Replies]

To: VA Advogado
"Like going after al-Queta, he'll pick the day and the time to smoke her out of her hole."

Let's hope President Bush - is on right on mark on this - there can BE NO mistakes in this Merry Frances Berry matter!

68 posted on 12/08/2001 11:33:30 AM PST by ChaseR
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 51 | View Replies]

To: VRWC_minion
Let's see your proof of that. Nobody else on TV agrees with you.
69 posted on 12/08/2001 11:34:18 AM PST by Howlin
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: aristeides
Yep. He's defending Condidit!
70 posted on 12/08/2001 11:35:22 AM PST by Howlin
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: VRWC_minion
Her silence would not affect the law.

No kidding?

One word: estoppel.

If during the time that she has been on that commission ONE PERSON was appointed to fulfill somebody else's term, and she didn't raise holy hell, she, by her own actions, certified the policy.

Besides all that, according to your interpretation, if that policy was followed, the only thing people would have to do is to resign a day before a president leaves office and he could reappoint them and they could serve forever.

I do not believe that is the INTENT of the POLICY. And neither will the court.

71 posted on 12/08/2001 11:44:13 AM PST by Howlin
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: NEPA
It turned out the only partisan judges were the FL Supremes.

And for any state supreme court to behave like Floriduh's did is absolutely appalling--evidence of the need for reform.

72 posted on 12/08/2001 11:44:20 AM PST by PeoplesRepublicOfWashington
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 66 | View Replies]

To: tacticalogic
HIM: The president had no authority to appoint her to anything less than a 6 year term.

YOU: Apparently Clinton did just that. If that was beyond his authority, then the original appointment was made illegally, and that would leave us back where we started - with the position vacant, and available to be filled by an appointee of GW's choosing.

Very well done!

73 posted on 12/08/2001 11:46:26 AM PST by Howlin
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 39 | View Replies]

To: aristeides
The President shall designate one of the members of the Commission as Chairman and one as Vice Chairman.

Help me out here; where does it say that once a person is designated as the chairman they stay that until their term expires?

It looks like to me Bush could pick somebody else.

74 posted on 12/08/2001 11:49:32 AM PST by Howlin
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 50 | View Replies]

To: Mr Rogers
"But I'll bookmark this thread, and repost when we know the outcome."

Thank you Mr Rogers.

75 posted on 12/08/2001 11:52:27 AM PST by ChaseR
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 58 | View Replies]

To: Howlin
That's the 1957 legislation I was replying to, but under it I think you are right. I wonder if the current law is the same.
76 posted on 12/08/2001 11:52:42 AM PST by aristeides
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 74 | View Replies]

To: VRWC_minion
First that isn't so simple. There are a limited number appointed from each party.

The president gets to appoint HALF the members, when a vacancy comes up; those are presidential appointees.

And if you don't think it's possible to resign and be reappointed in ONE DAY, take a look at the Board of Directors for the Kennedy Center.

Bill Clinton accepted the resignation of Beth Dorshowitz' (sp) husband in the morning and reappointed him in the afternoon to get around the term limits......because those appointments, like these, are NOT subject to affirmation. He didn't even TELL anybody about it.

77 posted on 12/08/2001 11:53:07 AM PST by Howlin
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 54 | View Replies]

To: Don Joe; ALOHA RONNIE; Mulder; All
bttt
78 posted on 12/08/2001 11:53:48 AM PST by ChaseR
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 67 | View Replies]

To: VRWC_minion
The President may appoint a member to fill a vacancy. For a vacancy to be termed other than a fill in for a length of the absent member's term is really stretching it, especially given that the President that appointed her to fill a vacancy also noted the date that was to be the end of her term.

They are way off base, both should be terminated, one because the term she was filling in for has expired, and the other for malfeasance of office.

79 posted on 12/08/2001 11:53:58 AM PST by MissAmericanPie
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: VRWC_minion
No, he has the authority to appoint for 6 years

But he DIDN'T. HE specified an ending date. It's not OUR fault he didn't get it right.

80 posted on 12/08/2001 11:54:10 AM PST by Howlin
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 55 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 41-6061-8081-100 ... 141-154 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson