Teddy Roosevelt, the Family, Contraception, and Life Issues[my title]

The Wanderer | 11/22/01 | From the Mail column

[Antoninus]

Could you imagine what TR would make of modern feminazis who dare to term themselves 'progressives'?

[Antoninus]

Did you see this one?

[Slyfox]

TR's face is on Mt. Rushmore for a reason.
It would've been fun to see TR and Margaret Sanger duke it out.

[Antoninus]

Are you kidding? TR would have the bust of Sanger hanging on his wall afterwards - between the rhino and the greater kudu.

[Antoninus]

Bump

[Antoninus]

Bump

[crystalk]

I might like to see Teddy and Eleanor duke it out.

[Slyfox]

Are you kidding? TR would have the bust of Sanger hanging on his wall afterwards - between the rhino and the greater kudu.

Of course, that would've happened AFTER they had duked it out.

[MHGinTN]

Thank you for the bump/ping. A couple of these quotes belong in frames set in the scenes of one or two of my 'too difficult' books. LFOL(laughing fiendishly out loud)

[StoneColdGOP]

Ol' TR would tear them apart.

[WFTR]

On the behavior of 90% of those who practice birth control:

"[It is derived] from viciousness, coldness, shallow-heartedness, self-indulgence, or mere failure to appreciate aright the difference between the all-important and the unimportant."

This is an interesting quote, but in case you haven't noticed, the country and the world have changed a little in the 100 years since Mr. Roosevelt was President. Our national security does not rest on our ability or inability to outbreed other nations. While I don't believe in killing the innocent unborn to solve overpopulation problems, the notion among many pro-lifers that the entire population of the world could live in Texas is ludicrous.

I live in Texas, and we have more than enough people as it is. Traffic in Houston is already snarled beyond what is healthy, and extending the sprawl in every direction would only break what is already dangerously bent. Much of west Texas is a desert, and finding water for everyone would be impossible. Where water is abundant, we have flood problems. Entire neighborhoods flooded by Allison are being condemned so that we don't have to keep rescuing the same people after every tropical storm. I'm hoping to leave Houston next year to get away from all of these people.

We don't need big families today the way that we needed them 100 years ago. There is nothing wrong with using birth control to decide when to start having kids and when to stop.

WFTR
GWB - Man of the Year
Bill

[patent]

A fun little thread, so:

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[patent]

There is nothing wrong with using birth control to decide when to start having kids and when to stop.

Well that would be your view. In my view using birth control is using your reason to decide whether to have kids or not. However, no kid can be born without it being God’s will to grant that kid life. If God wills that I have a child, and I will that I not, which of us would be right? I go with God’s will over mine. Your mileage may vary.

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[WFTR]

Who am I to use a seat belt? If God wills that I die in a car crash and I will that I not, who is right? We use our reason every day to decide what risks in life we will mitigate by various means. You may believe that birth control should be treated differently because it involves sex, but arguing against the principle of using our reason to influence the direction of our life is silly. I'm sure that you do it just as everyone else does.

I understand that some people believe that every instance of sexual intercourse should carry the highest possibility of producing children. If you want to believe that, go ahead, but nothing in the Bible says it directly. Interpretations that try to make this argument are a stretch at best. However, I concede your right to live by your interpretation of the Bible or your church's teaching even if I see it as foolish.

WFTR
GWB - Man of the Year
Bill

[Romulus]

TR was a proto-fascist not only in his unbounded faith in the power of government to effect human progress, but specifically in his sympathy with eugenics. A perfect example of the GOP's "progressive" wing. He died young, and it's just as well.

[Romulus]

Human beings are not "stock" to be bredl, no matter how scientific it sounds to say so. TR makes me want to throw up.

[PRND21]

I'm reading "Citizen Hearst", W.R. shared your sentiments.

[Aquinasfan]

"[It is derived] from viciousness, coldness, shallow-heartedness, self-indulgence, or mere failure to appreciate aright the difference between the all-important and the unimportant."

I think it's blind fear/worry as much as anything else.

Who doesn't know a couple who have limited their family size because they don't believe that they can afford college educations for more than two children? I think this falls in the category of not being able to distinguish between what's important and what's unimportant.

The devil can work very subtly. God wants our children to go to heaven, not Harvard.

[Antoninus]

This is an interesting quote, but in case you haven't noticed, the country and the world have changed a little in the 100 years since Mr. Roosevelt was President. Our national security does not rest on our ability or inability to outbreed other nations.

How ironic that you say this considering we had several other threads running just yesterday detailing the 500,000 Mexicans expected to immigrate to the US each year for the next 30. Now look at what you said again in that context...

While I don't believe in killing the innocent unborn to solve overpopulation problems, the notion among many pro-lifers that the entire population of the world could live in Texas is ludicrous.

Contraception, voluntary sterility, sexual deviancy, and abortion are all part and parcel of the evil correctly identified by the Catholic church and some others as the Culture of Death. The notion that we have an 'overpopulation' problem is the only ludicrous notion I've seen. Life is a good thing. Once you figure that out, you'll be a lot happier.

People will kill to solve this perceived 'overpopulation' problem, but they will never willingly die for it.

[Mr. Thorne]

I am continually impressed by TR.

He is fast becoming one of my favorite historical figures.