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To: Bonaparte
. In an anonymous letter, the four students told Dr. Makow that, "we have sensed your strong feeling that women should be submissive and docile."

I have to say that, as much as I agree with most of this article, I do get the feeling that Makow likes submissive, docile women. And that is clearly not the right message for a college professor to be sending to young women.

40 posted on 12/05/2001 8:59:33 AM PST by independentmind
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To: independentmind
"...I do get the feeling that Makow likes submissive, docile women."

I think there's some truth to that, but I also think there's more here. While he considers a "feminine" woman to be "quiet," "reserved" and "unassuming," he also expects her to be "competent" and "self-sufficient" and to participate in decision-making. He specifically denies that femininity means being an "emotional waif." He deserves credit for this, as well as for his admission that he made a mistake when he married a teenager 30 years his junior.

You may believe that his outlook is not a suitable one to present to female college students, but is it any less suitable than the militant feminist view that is crammed down their throats?

54 posted on 12/05/2001 9:27:14 AM PST by Bonaparte
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To: independentmind
I have to say that, as much as I agree with most of this article, I do get the feeling that Makow likes submissive, docile women.

My honey would scream if I was submissive and docile and just nodded my head like a trained dog whenever he talked to me.

62 posted on 12/05/2001 9:36:41 AM PST by Bella_Bru
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To: independentmind
I have to say that, as much as I agree with most of this article, I do get the feeling that Makow likes submissive, docile women. And that is clearly not the right message for a college professor to be sending to young women.

This is a little silly. How does Makow's personal preference for any sort of woman send the wrong message about anything? If there had been an accusation that this preference affected the way he treated students, that would be an issue. But the evidence seems to contradict this.

To me this seems a classic example of campus political correctness. He was fired for simply holding an opinion contrary to campus orthodoxy. No matter what message you believe Makow was sending, this other message is surely more harmful by a large margin.

93 posted on 12/05/2001 10:40:21 AM PST by Snuffington
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To: independentmind
I have much to say on this "life" truth. The last thing the husband wants is a weak, submissive woman. For you to suggest it, well, you don't get it. Limbaugh said it best, hard core feminists are the women that could not be. I personally have no problem with, "less than attractive" women choosing other women. Why in Gods name did they have to include all women? Women's liberation freed men like myself to " do women." As long as she was convinced abortion was her freedom, I was free. I retired at 45, semi retired at 35. Thanks girls!

The truth is, we both lost. Your worthless dependent offspring, my empty wealthy life. My life is good, I think it could have been more fulfilling. My dear, odds are yours is hard and poor, not to mention the tremendous sense of failure when you look at your multi fathered offspring.

131 posted on 12/05/2001 11:57:36 AM PST by golder
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