Forbidden Grief After Abortion

Priests for Life | December 3, 2001 | Father Frank Pavone

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[LibertyGirl77]

We also sometimes try to trivialize it when we know it's too much to bear. Dr. Burke describes a dorm party in which the students, many post-abortive, played "Baby Soccer." The broken heads of dolls were kicked around the room gleefully, their eyes gouged out with darts, their cheeks burned with cigarette butts.

I have not the words. May God turn their hearts to Him.

[Boxsford]

Thank you for posting this. I wouldn't mind hearing a discussion on the affects of abortion. I'd like to get a better understanding. My dear sister had two abortions and is unable to forgive herself. She knows the Lord and intellectually knows God has forgiven her, but she doesn't know it in her heart. She is also a very joyless person.

I'm also interested to know how abortions affect a person's parenting of children they do have. My sister seems to see her children as "perfect" because she can't face any faults of her children as it seems to be a reflection of herself failing as a mom. (as if that does call her a failure)Would that be a result of an abortion? Any abortion counselors out there?

[sayfer bullets]

" It's a helluva thing..killin' a man. Take all he's got, and all he's ever gonna have."

"Yeah... well I sssspose he had it comin'.."

- Unforgiven

[homeschool mama]

You've got Freepmail.

[homeschool mama]

Thanks for the ping.

This subject is near and dear to my heart. <><

[SpookBrat]

Hello! I'm new. I decided to register the other day after lurking for two years. I've learned a ton and I'm grateful for the conservative education I've been getting during this time. I'm actually getting kinda smart now.

I'm too scared to post for the first time, but I had to respond to this. I counsel women who suffer from post abortion stress at my local crisis pregnancy center. (Actually, it's a Biblically based on going study of forgiveness and trusting in God to guide you through the grief process. I am not a licensed therapist). I can verify what Father Frank Pavone says to be true. The statistics show that probably around 80% (or higher depending on who you ask) of women who receive an abortion suffer greatly, different levels of post trauma. Many times it develops into psychosis. But mostly it's just severe self-hatred and on going self-destructive behavior.

I could go on for days about this. Oddly enough, to my understanding, Planned Parenthood does not even acknowledge post abortion stress. Imagine that!

From my limited exposure, in dealing with women who have had abortions, I would say that 80% is wrong. My experience has shown me that number to be higher. I talk openly about abortion with pro life and pro choice women and know many, many women who have had an abortion. I have only talked to ONE woman who didn't regret it and suffer afterwards (and that's up for debate). So if I was doing my own statistic based on my conversations, that number would be 99%. How's that for a scientific statistical analysis? LOL

[Pistias]

declaring either sympathy or congratulations

"I have not the words. May God turn their hearts to Him."

'Nuff said.

[homeschool mama]

Bump!

I'm a former post abortion counselor for CPC and can affirm your views to be correct.

So glad you registered and posted on this thread. Welcome!

[SoothingDave]

As was mentioned on the other thread posted about the same time, the Catholic Church runs counselling, for free, for post-abortive women. You need not be Catholic. The name is "Project Rachel." Look up Catholic Charities in your phone book.

SD

[Siouxz]

Glad to see you finally posted after your long lurk. Don't be a stranger.

[WVNan]

This is a subject that is also near my heart. I too have seen the effects and felt them.

[Boxsford]

Welcome. I lurked for almost 2 years too! You did good with this one I can tell you that. Thank you very much. Keep on talking and informing.
Abortion isn't something that I have experienced myself but I was on the fence with agreeing with it. I just didn't really care. Then, one day in church the Holy Spirit just spoke to my heart and I walked out that day a strong advocate for LIFE.

I'd like to hear more about what you have learned concerning post-abortion. Have you found that mothers struggle with their parenting? What could I tell my sister counseling would be like if she decided to go to one? How long does counseling go on for? Any help you can give will be helpful. ~Boxsford

[Boxsford]

Thanks!!!

[GodBlessRonaldReagan]

Dr. Burke describes a dorm party in which the students, many post-abortive, played "Baby Soccer." The broken heads of dolls were kicked around the room gleefully, their eyes gouged out with darts, their cheeks burned with cigarette butts.

My Lord! What a sick society we have become! I despair that we will never change...

[homeschool mama]

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[SpookBrat]

She knows the Lord and intellectually knows God has forgiven her, but she doesn't know it in her heart.

That is very common!!!! PACE, the program we use deals with that issue. You might want to encourage her to call her local (pro life) crisis pregnancy center to see if they have a support group. What better way to punish yourself for the rest of your life, than to refuse to forgive yourself.

Without talking to your sister, I can’t really judge the situation. But in regards to her parenting, perhaps it could be she is so happy to actually have children “alive” that she can’t bring herself to discipline. To spank them, cause them to cry or cause them to become temporarily unhappy with her (as all children do when they are disciplined). She could also be punishing herself as a mother. Perhaps she thinks she is unworthy of her children born alive. Perhaps she feels unworthy of the loving respect an obedient child could give her. I have no idea really, but this is normal to some degree. Every situation and woman is different and this can get very complex.

You can do a search if you like, to help your sister find a support group if she is interested. We use PACE (Post Abortion Counseling and Education). There is also Project Rachel.

[KC_Conspirator]

The statistics show that probably around 80% (or higher depending on who you ask) of women who receive an abortion suffer greatly, different levels of post trauma. Many times it develops into psychosis. But mostly it's just severe self-hatred and on going self-destructive behavior.

I could go on for days about this. Oddly enough, to my understanding, Planned Parenthood does not even acknowledge post abortion stress. Imagine that!

Are you kidding me?!!! I thought we were past that?!!!

For some reason, I knew they were denying the fact that post-abortion stress existed, in academic areas for example, because they lie in college while they try to brainwash your children. This goes along with liberals teaching that there are no consequences, when in fact we all know there are. However, I thought Planned Parenthood would promote "all of the facts", but it looks like I have been duped.

I have alot of friends who have had abortions and all of them, and I MEAN EVERY SINGLE ONE, is f***ed up about their decision. I was pretty liberal about this issue before, but I could not get passed the fact that my friends were so emotionally scarred because of their abortions. I doubt that any were told that they would have the emotional nightmares if they followed through.

[HarryDunne]

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