Earth First! says they will OVERTHROW the U.S.!

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[Richard Axtell]

Often, "movements" like "Earth First" and "Al Qaeda" are portrayed by their founders as grass roots movements- resulting from the inexorable forces of history, politics, culture, and/or divine destiny. This is nothing but a delusion of the founders of such movements. They are often really expressions of the vanity and egos of their founder's; there would be no "Al Qaeda" if it were not for it's meglomanical Osama Bin Laden. "Earth First" doubtless has similar self aggrandizing personalities behind its existence and continued notoriety. So, the lengths that these individuals will go to make their names known, for the sake of their self centered view of the world, will determine just how far the insane agenda promoted by these people will go. When and if it's self possessed leaders decide that their particular "Rubicon" has been crossed, we can expect at least some sort of attempt at deadly terrorism; bombings, sabotage, perhaps even assassinations. The insanity of the leaders is the real threat, not any perceived strength or influence of the group itself.

My point is that far from these being historical movements, having sociological or true political basis and motivation, they are more the creation and reflections of the personalities of individuals, and that is their weakness. Since there is no real working ideology behind a "movement" other than a lot of "Gaia" oriented drivel, and a Luddite ignorance and hatred for anything having to do with technology or modern civilization, "Earth First" is heavily dependent on the whims, twisted vision, and dubious leadership of a very few individuals. They flatter themselves with grand sounding pronouncements, prattling on and on with their high minded manifestos. But like Ted Kaczynski, despite flashes of insight and even brilliant observations about the human condition, they basically have no idea what they are talking about.

This "Earth First" is no real potential mass movement; it is a prescription for societal suicide, as anyone with common sense can easily see. Only if a new dark age descends, and despotic warlord types govern the landscape amidst a post nuclear wasteland, could anything akin to the idiocy that these people propose ever come about. Then they will not have to worry about the corruption of technological civilization, as their insane practices will bring about and perpetuate such pervasive, devastating famine and decline, that simple survival will be an almost impossible achievement. What we have to fear from these people, would be the effect of the the rest of us sinking to their level of profound ignorance and self hatred. I don't think things have declined that far, just yet.

[Cuttnhorse]

Ford Foundation gives Audubon $5 million and Earthwatch $5 million. Toyota gives Audubon $500,000. The Nature Conservancy (TNC) runs on an annual budget of about $400 million (including $37 million of your tax dollars thanks to generous feds). According to Tom Knudson of the Sacramento Bee, federal support of environmental groups is substantial and growing. “Last year,” he writes, “about $137 million flowed to 20 major environmental nonprofit groups – an average of $377,000 a day.”

This is part of an editorial from RANGE magazine's Winter issue.

[Cuttnhorse]

"This "Earth First" is no real potential mass movement; it is a prescription for societal suicide, as anyone with common sense can easily see."

In the mean time, ranchers have livestock killed, buildings torched and are harassed by these nuts. I suspect from your rather "we should be above it all" tone, you have never had any direct dealings with these idiots.

[Cuttnhorse]

I wish I knew the answer to that. If we can't cut these idiots off with a Republican president in office, I'm not sure how it will ever be done.

[Chad Fairbanks]

This is the United States: SPEAK SPANISH!"

Bwaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahaaaaa

[Straight Vermonter]

What you don't agree with them? I wish we could go back to the days before industrialization. You know, when child mortality was about 25%. When stavation was a reality every winter. When infectious diseases took 1 or 2 members of the family each year. When "getting by" meant back breaking labor from sun up to sun down. Why can't everyone see how wonderful bringing all that back would be?

[Chad Fairbanks]

No, it wasn't an original idea... wish it was, though... did you see the idea in #114??? LOL

[codder too]

don't forget the "Unibomber Manifesto",,,

Sorry, I keep confusing that with "Earth in the Balance".

[hoot2]

"Anyone know where I can get a "Earth First! We'll pave the rest later..." Bumper Sticker???? "

kill the "religious nuts"; n let the other "nuts" go free...

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[Chad Fairbanks]

Well, THAT image certainly threw a monkeywrench into this thread...

[hoot2]

"This is where the Patriot act comes in handy. I'm sure the FBI has heard about it already "

why aren't they in jail? n where the hell is the batf????

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[aruanan]

Sounds as though some folks are setting themselves up to get spiked.

[claptrap]

Not only does that headline Art Bells News site at (artbell.com). the section is called "Quickening News". Much of the news there concentrates on enviro news, many of Arts guests are envirowhackos although none are as seditious as the Earth First crowd.The United Nations also shares this view of Capatilist-Techno-Defense countries such as our Great United States of America, the U.N. is at every turn our most rabid enemy evidence (Kyoto Treaty).

[Jolly Rodgers]

Tell us again how Earth First! is not a violent or terrorist organization?

[reg45]

don't forget the "Unibomber Manifesto"
Sorry, I keep confusing that with "Earth in the Balance".

Also not a new idea, Tony Snow (Fox News) wrote a column on that subject five or six years ago.

[reg45]

Oops! I forgot to close a tag.

[hoot2]

"Can you say Stone Age? "

can we make em watch c-span?
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[RMrattlesnake]

Watermellons green on the outside red on the inside.

[Richard Axtell]

"In the mean time, ranchers have livestock killed, buildings torched and are harassed by these nuts. I suspect from your rather "we should be above it all" tone, you have never had any direct dealings with these idiots."

Actually, I know some locals who at least think they are on the same page as these lunatics. And if I came off as "we should be above it all" ... then I didn't get my point across. They are a real danger that must be dealt with seriously, but not because of their ideas. They are more like outlaws than a real ideologically based movement, with all the romantic delusions that go with it. In Phoenix we had a guy by the name of Sand, who committed numerous acts of arson, mainly burning almost completed luxury homes that he determined were encroaching on the natural environment of the desert. They caught him, despite a Jesse James / Robin hood like reputation that he cultivated, and having the local anti-establishment press cheer him on. They have thrown the book at him. He got 10 years and I say GREAT, and that justice has been done. HE was the problem... I don't expect any of his compatriots to have the balls to follow in his foot steps... but we will see.