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1 posted on 12/01/2001 8:04:48 PM PST by Phil V.
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To: Phil V.
ABRAHAM - Father of Three Faiths

ABRAHAM - Father of TWO not THREE Faiths

2 posted on 12/01/2001 8:09:36 PM PST by KQQL
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To: Phil V.
Abraham...the Father of One faith[the rest are facsimiles].
9 posted on 12/01/2001 9:09:18 PM PST by VaBthang4
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To: Phil V.
CORRECTION: The last paragraph . . .

"My God will save me." In these five site simple 
words is the essence of Abraham and his astonishing 
endeavors. They spell out his fundamental belief that 
there is one God. That belief changed the world forever. 

10 posted on 12/01/2001 9:16:08 PM PST by Phil V.
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To: Phil V.
He shouldn’t have thrown Hagar and Ishmael out into the desert. That is still causing us trouble to this day.
12 posted on 12/01/2001 9:21:08 PM PST by Fred25
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To: Phil V.
Thanks for posting this.
19 posted on 12/01/2001 11:34:16 PM PST by ppaul
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To: Phil V.
Perhaps the author should remind the commonality to the Muslims of Hebron who have destroyed Tombs of the Matriarchs and Patriarchs and replaced Rachels Tomb with a mosque last year!
23 posted on 12/02/2001 12:00:52 AM PST by rmlew
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To: Phil V.
Genesis 16

10Then the Angel of the LORD said to her, "I will multiply your descendants exceedingly, so that they shall not be counted for multitude." 11And the Angel of the LORD said to her:

"Behold, you are with child,
And you shall bear a son.
You shall call his name Ishmael,
Because the LORD has heard your affliction.
12 He shall be a wild man;
His hand shall be against every man,
And every man's hand against him.
And he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren."

I think we are destined to fight with these people. And they make is so easy because they are so evil.

28 posted on 12/02/2001 5:18:39 AM PST by snippy_about_it
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To: Phil V.
Avraham, the father of many nations. Ishmael and Esau whose decendents will be exterminated according to the prophet Obediah and Jacob(Israel) who by following the Messiah and obeying the Instructions of the creator of the Universe inherits a glorious future.
29 posted on 12/02/2001 6:08:43 AM PST by hsszionist
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To: Phil V.
yea ABRAHAM was the fother of 3 maybe more if you include Baha', zoriaster, kalbala and others. But the only true faith is the one in hiss greatgreatgreat grandson JESUS. He is the orgin of the jews and christian all the rest were following GOD.
36 posted on 12/02/2001 3:52:00 PM PST by RMrattlesnake
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To: Jeremiah Jr; 2sheep; Lent; Sabertooth; InvisibleChurch
MY PURSUIT of Abraham began with a 500- mile taxi ride from Amman, the capital of Jordan, to Baghdad, in Iraq.

Ooops.

39 posted on 12/02/2001 4:11:08 PM PST by Thinkin' Gal
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To: Phil V.
Let's see what the prophet of peace was up to in the Current Era:

The following from the expert on the dhimmi under Islam, Bat Ye'or, in The Dhimmi: Jews and Christians  under Islam (pp. 43ff.)

   In 624 Muhammad, joined by more followers, called upon the Qaynuqa, one of the Jewish tribes of Medina, to recognize his prophetic mission. When they refused, he besieged and overcame them. On the intercession of one of their protectors---a recent convert to Islam---their lives were spared, but they were expelled from the city, their lands and a part of their possessions being confiscated by the Muslims. The following year the Jewish Nadir tribe suffered a similar fate: Muhammad burned down their palm groves and divided all their fields and houses among thecommunity of  Believers. 4

   In 627 the Meccans sent a united force to lay siege to the Muslims in Medina but they withdrew suddenly on a stormy night and without fighting. However, guided by the angel Gabriel, Muhammad then turned his host against the Jewish tribe of the Qurayza, who had been neutral during the seige. Because the Jews refused conversion, Muhammad attacked and overwhelmed them. Trenches were then dug in the marketplace of Medina, and the Jews---six to nine hundred of them, according to traditional Muslim sources-----were led forth in batches and decapitated. All the menfolk perished in this way, with the exception of one convert to Islam. The Prophet then divided the women, children, houses, and chattels among the Muslims.5

  Shrewd in political matters, Muhammad then endeavored to win over the powerful tibes of Mecca. In 628, taking advantage of a treaty of nonbelligerency (Hudaybiya) with the Meccans,6 he attacked the oasis of Khaybar, one hundred and forty kilometers northwest of Medina, cultivated by another Jewish tribe. The assailants came to the oasis at night and in the morning attacked the peasants as they were coming out to work in the fields, carrying spades and baskets.7 Their palm groves were burned down. After a siege lasting a month and a half, the inhabitants surrendered under the terms of a treaty known as the dhimma. According to this agreement Muhammad allowed the Jews to continue cultivating their oasis, on condition they ceded to him half of their produce; he also reserved the right to break the agreement and expel them whenever he wished.8 Subsequently, all the Jewish and Christian communities of Arabia submitted to the Muslims under the terms of a dhimma similar to that granted at Khaybar
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4. al-Bukhari (d. 869), Les Traditions Islamiques (Al-Sahih), trans. O. Houdas and W. Marcais (Paris, 1903-1914), vol. 2, title 41, chap 6; title 56, chap. 80; 3, chap. 154:2. This compilation of the acts and sayings attributed to Muhammad, completed in the ninth century, constitutes one of the two pillars of Islamic jurisprudence, the other being the contemporary compilation made by his younger disciple, Muslim (d. 875).

5. Idn Ishaq, pp. 461-69; M. Gaudefroy-Demombynes, Mahomet (Paris, 1969), pp. 142-46; W. Montgomery Watt, "Muhammad", in the Cambridge History of Islam (Cambridge, 1970), 1:39-49.

6. Gaudefroy-Demombynes, p. 154: Bukhari, vol. 2, title 54, chap. 15.

7. Ibn Ishaq, p. 511; Bukhari, vol. 2, title 56, chaps. 102: 5, 130.

8. Ibn Ishaq, pp. 524-25; Bukhari, vol. 2, title 41, chaps. 8, 9, 11, 17, and title 57, chap. 19: 10. For example of the treaties between Muhammad and the Jews living in Makna (near Eilat), see al-Baladhuri, vol. 1, The Origins of the Islamic State (Kitab Futuh al-Buldan), trans. P.K. Hitti (New York, 1916), pp. 93-94.

 

44 posted on 12/02/2001 4:40:31 PM PST by Lent
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To: Phil V.
This is a bunch of PC BS!!
This has been the trend in National Geographic, this and catering to the environmentalist wacko movement.
We have maintained a membership since 1978 but let it lapse this year by not renewing.
This issue with the Abraham story came with a threat on the outside wrapper that this is our last issue if we don't renew. Please Please! Spare us we have had it with your magazine.
68 posted on 12/03/2001 11:13:35 AM PST by MomwithHope
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To: Phil V.
I have noticed where Islam, Judaism, and Christianity recognize Abraham and the Abrahamic Covenant.

I also notice Islam splits from the others here. Judaism follows Issac, Islam follows Ishmael.

Gen 17:17-22

76 posted on 12/04/2001 6:10:06 AM PST by Cvengr
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