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To: mvscal
As one "hispanic" to another, I have been reading your posts with amusement and you seem to somewhat detached of the reality. I live in a heavily hispanic area in NY and speak quite often to people here, many which are "illegals". The reality is that the vast majority do not see themselves as immigrants who are stuck here permanently. There is also another group (many born here) which insists on mantaining a separate existence in both language and culture and have no intention of assimilating into what they derogatorily refer to as the Anglo culture. As a matter of course many of them hold radical left wing ideas and think Fidel Castro is the greatest thing since the wheel.

I have gotten into arguments many a time over this attitude. To cite just one case where Domincans on my block flew their flag during Dominican holidays and yet refuse to fly the Stars and Stripes on July 4. In another case I overheard a conversation among some Mexicans in a bodega deriding this country and government. These occurences I run into almost every day, even after 911. These people are here to establish "Colonias", they are willing to take our money and live here, but if they had their way they would set up separate nations and states. Because I speak Spanish, these people will tell me things they would never tell an "anglo".

I have seen the same phenomenon and attitude among Middle Easterners.

As I have stated previously on another thread as well as this one. Most immigrants today have no intention of assimilating or integrating into the general society or of becoming Americans. Indeed many of these people have particularly anti-american attitudes. As far as they are concerned if things don't go well they are just one cheap airplane ticket back home. They have the easy option of returning back home. The immigrants of a century ago had no such options. Theirs was a one way trip ticket and they knew by coming here there was no turning back. They came here to stay and to become Americans. That in the end is the significant difference.

They also did not have a political establishment that pandered to them by establishing a separate language educational system to perpetuate the separatness. The Balkanization of this country is the direct consequence of the "multiculturalist" policies promoted by the Democrats in search of a voter base and the corporate Republicans in search of cheap labor and profits.

That is the reality we face.

Being an immigrant I am not naturaly oppsed to immigration. However, I am opposed to immigration if the only purpose of the immigrants is to come here and colonize this country without having any intention of assimilatiing and becoming Americans both culutraly and linguistically. If they come here just to suck on the big US tit without contributing to the country then it's not worth having them here.

253 posted on 11/30/2001 11:00:19 PM PST by Cacique
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To: Cacique
Thank you so much, Cacique, both for your thoughtful post and for being a loyal American. I'm glad you're here.
257 posted on 11/30/2001 11:13:30 PM PST by Calico Cat
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To: Cacique
Thanks for hold the fort and telling like it is....

The immigrant who on the day of citizenship proudly calls himself an "American" WITH the "intention of assimilating and becoming American both culturally and linguistically" is all we can ask. THAT is the legacy of an "American."

260 posted on 11/30/2001 11:21:10 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: Cacique
Cacique, thanks much for your insights on this. It is indeed a very scary picture.
288 posted on 12/01/2001 11:28:39 AM PST by WRhine
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To: Cacique
"Most immigrants today have no intention of assimilating or integrating into the general society or of becoming Americans.

You really hit the nail on the head with that statement and your eloquent post

My grandparents immigrated legally from Italy 80+ years ago. My husband's grandparents immigrated nearly 100 years ago from Germany. There was no public assistance, no one to insist that Americans become bi-lingual so they could communicate with my and his grandparents and their ilk. It was sink or swim, or go back home.

My grandparents were proud to be Americans. They learned to read, write and speak English. They became citizens, pledging to uphold American values and traditions. My grandfather built up his own business and passed on his good work ethic to his children and grandchildren.

The situation we face today with alot of immigrants and "illegals" is quite different. They come here to get what they can and nothing else. They care not for becoming Americans and insist that we either learn to speak their language or endure being talked about in a language we don't comprehend. Due to the PC police we allow it to continue to happen or else we are branded as bigots.

Talk about being stuck between a rock and a hard place.....

290 posted on 12/01/2001 11:49:20 AM PST by dansangel
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To: Cacique
Amen ... and you Sir are welcome here ... IMHO.
321 posted on 12/03/2001 1:32:30 PM PST by clamper1797
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