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To: Aquinasfan
Q: These books are just fantasy and therefore harmless.

A: This argument of fantasy is the most mindless argument of all. If these books were "fantasy" books about violence or pornography people would have no problem seeing how harmful they were. The Harry Potter books present as harmless children using the power of witchcraft, something God has declared is an abomination. Deut 18 Q: "Children who read about Harry Potter will probably discover little about the world of the occult."

A: Essentially witchcraft is about our being able to control people or things by what we say or the rituals we do. This is clearly presented in the Harry Potter books. Also witchcraft is about using various means to foretell the future. This is also clearly stated in the Harry Potter books.

The real question is do these books provide Satan an opportunity to seduce children into experimenting in witchcraft, thereby gaining power and authority in their life. There is no doubt that these books do provide an innocent view of witchcraft.

The Harry Potter books are not handbooks of witchcraft, in other words all the practices and philosophy are in the books, but they are not necessarily set forth as a coven would practice them today. Therefore those who make these claims seem to believe that these books are harmless. The real question is if a child reads these books would they be more open to experimenting with witchcraft. When we consider today that children have no fear of experimenting with witchcraft are these appropriate books for children to read? There is more witchcraft material easily available to our children today than at any other time in history. There are also more children practicing witchcraft than at any other time in history.

http://www.therealpotter.com

6 posted on 11/29/2001 4:27:42 AM PST by RMrattlesnake
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To: RMrattlesnake
The real question is do these books provide Satan an opportunity to seduce children into experimenting in witchcraft, thereby gaining power and authority in their life.

That's my belief. The risk is far greater than any potential reward.

7 posted on 11/29/2001 4:38:04 AM PST by Aquinasfan
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To: RMrattlesnake
I am not trying to change your mind. We all have our fears and limits. I was raised on Grimms Fairy tales. If you go back to the origional, and not the watered down versions, they make harry potter look like a Sunday School outing. They are bloody, full of the occult and really bad practices. From that horrible background I should be very into the occult. Instead I am a born again Christian.

Books present ideas which can instruct both in good and bad. I fear them much less than the reality that surrounds us daily, such as gossip, hatred, intolerance, devisiveness and the like.

And I will be seeing HP next week.

11 posted on 11/29/2001 4:47:18 AM PST by beekeeper
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To: RMrattlesnake
The Harry Potter books are not handbooks of witchcraft, in other words all the practices and philosophy are in the books, but they are not necessarily set forth as a coven would practice them today.

But they aren't. Where're the God/Goddess? Where are the Circles? Where are the Elements?

Years ago I was heavy into New age, shaminism, celticism ans wicca and was intoduced by seeking help from self help books.

If you were 'into wicca', tell me all about it. What did you do? What rituals did you perform? What words did you use in setting up the circle? Were you Gardnerian or Alexandrian or something else?

13 posted on 11/29/2001 5:22:17 AM PST by Da_Shrimp
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To: RMrattlesnake
>>...Essentially witchcraft is about our being able to control people or things by what we say or the rituals we do. ...<<

In my 45 years on this earth, I have never read of, heard about, or witnessed anyone ACTUALLY able to control another human via "witchcraft".
So, in my opinion, TRUE witchcraft is impossible.

>>...There are also more children practicing witchcraft than at any other time in history. ...<<

If they practice but don't succeed, does that make them witches?

37 posted on 11/29/2001 8:44:25 AM PST by FReepaholic
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To: RMrattlesnake
If these books were "fantasy" books about violence or pornography ...

But hey - they're not!

If violence & pornography are so bad, you should be railing against prime-time TV, not HP.

51 posted on 11/29/2001 9:15:12 AM PST by ctdonath2
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To: RMrattlesnake
Those who say that HP is just fantasy are either lying or do not understand fiction and fables which have been used by writers and storytellers for thousands of years to teach truths or things that they think are true without objections from those affected by those truths. Sorcery is real and demonically inspired as Moses found out in the court of Pharoah, but God's Word is more powerful as Pharoah found out. JKRowling is preaching her theology and philosophy within the pages of this book whose hero is a rebellious namesnake for Satan who rises to take over a domain once managed by the rulemaking headmaster. Every time people buy her stuff they tithe to her theology and defend it with mindless mantras like "it is only fantasy".
79 posted on 11/29/2001 10:04:02 AM PST by Woodkirk
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To: RMrattlesnake
Those who say that HP is just fantasy are either lying or do not understand fiction and fables which have been used by writers and storytellers for thousands of years to teach truths or things that they think are true without objections from those affected by those truths. Sorcery is real and demonically inspired as Moses found out in the court of Pharoah, but God's Word is more powerful as Pharoah found out. JKRowling is preaching her theology and philosophy within the pages of this book whose hero is a rebellious namesnake for Satan who rises to take over a domain once managed by the rulemaking headmaster. Every time people buy her stuff they tithe to her theology and defend it with mindless mantras like "it is only fantasy".
80 posted on 11/29/2001 10:04:10 AM PST by Woodkirk
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To: RMrattlesnake
I would like to see an example from the Bible of any human gaining power and authority through anything resembling the magic in Harry Potter. As an alterntive I would like to hear about any believable instance in which anything like the charms or potions or incantataions featured in Harry Potter actually worked.

Believing that witchcraft actually confers magic powers is beyond idiocy.

Not that peoply don't try, but bad people can twist any ideology into a justification of evil deeds. Bad people continue to do bad things.

Every argument you cite against Harry Potter cuold be used as an argument agains guns, except for the minor detail that no child has ever been harmed by accidently casting a spell.

92 posted on 11/29/2001 11:00:16 AM PST by js1138
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To: RMrattlesnake
Essentially witchcraft is about our being able to control people or things by what we say or the rituals we do.

Ditto for PMS.

121 posted on 11/29/2001 12:40:14 PM PST by N. Theknow
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