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To: Impeach the Boy
Alan...there you go....you start making one of those long winded (the anti-Bush, anti-gubmint folks usually do)attacks...

And there you go making an suttle insinutation that we're anti-government while probably not being aware of it.

WE DO NOT AGREE THAT THE GOP ARE A BUNCH OF ANTI-GOVERNMENT SOCIALIST STATIST.....that is what CASTRO is....

Anti-government socialist statist? I didn't know what was possible.

Perhaps you could explain something to me so I can better understanding where you're coming from. Castro/Cuba - warrantless government surveillance, secret trials, no due process, and indefinite detention of suspects. What do you call that? Bush/US - warrantless government surveillance, secret trials, no due process, and indefinite detention of suspects. What do you call that? Is there a difference? Is it ok for Bush and Ashcroft to do these things because they're all-around nicer guys? Is it ok for them to do these things because they wear suits and ties and Castro wears fatigues? Is it because Castro just looks meaner?

Do you think that all these new police powers won't remain in effect once Bush leaves office? They'll still be here the next time Democrats are in control and they'll continue to add more.

If Bill Clinton signed these sweeping new police powers into law you'd be calling him a traitor and a commie. You know it and I know it. But, Bush and the Republicans are in control. For some reason they get a pass. Explain that to me.

...we do agree with you that there are WAY too many weak republicans, way too many poll reading moderates, way to many professional politicians...but unlike you, we do not take the childish tact of calling EVERYONE socialist who do not come into our little tent...

Somebody once told me I should grow thicker skin. I would suggest improving those debating skills of yours so you can effectively make the case that the people you support really do support freedom, limited government, and the people who believe otherwise are mistaken.

You have this false definition of "principle" that somehow defines patriot as one who would vote third party EVEN if doing so elects an anti-gun, big government, anti-liberty DEMOCRAT.....We, on the other hand, know that change for the good DOES NOT come be giving victory to the enemy.

No, YOU have a false definition of principle.

And, no, we don't define a patriot as somebody who votes third party. But, rather somebody who does not compromise one's principles for convenience, expediency, or personal satisfaction.

...if doing so elects an anti-gun, big government, anti-liberty ..DEMOCRAT.....We, on the other hand, know that change for the good DOES NOT come be giving victory to the enemy.

If this weren't so sad it would be funny. You defeat an anti-gun, big government, anti-liberty Democrat by electing an anti-gun, big government, anti-liberty Republican.

Let me ask you something. Do you ever check to see how your leglislators are voting? Do you know of any Internet resources where you can check?

Do you ever call or write your Congressman to register your dissatisfaction when he votes for gun-control, or votes to increase funding for some pork project, or votes to strip you of your freedoms?

Or do you simply elect a Republican and assume that because he's a Republican that he must be voting in a manner consistent with your own values? Do you just keep voting the same person back into office election after election hoping that maybe somebody they'll really reign in government like they've been promising to all along?

I want to know where you stand. You already know where I stand.

3,235 posted on 12/04/2001 2:30:58 PM PST by Alan Chapman
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To: Alan Chapman
Alan, one thing I have noticed about you third party folk is that you love to write long, long, long, defenses...it is not necessary. (the only one in your little tent that keeps it short is OWK, who pretends he is Fred McMurray and just asks, "What are your principles, Chip?"...."What is the meaning of partriot, Chip?"....."Now Chip and Ernie, Bub is right, we live a police state.".... And, once again, you take an arrogant posture, suggesting that, since I do not agree with you, I do not know what I believe. We who do not hold to the Chicken-Little-Sky-Is-Falling-We-Live-In-A-Police-State mentality, nonetheless, share many of your concerns....expansion of government, over taxation, loss of liberties, anti-gun rights efforts, unenforced immigration laws, etc.....What WE do not hold to is the nutty idea of legalizing drugs, that all cops (or most of them) are part of some grand conspiracy to steal our freedoms, that going to war to KILL those who will kill us if we do not is wrong, that ALL republicans are socialist, that ALL repulicans are statist, that there is NO difference between republicans and democrats, and any of the other broad brush generalizations that tend to flow from the Libertarians, and others. We also believe that having someone like Harry Browne in charge of anything more than a hot dog stand would be the assure the destruction of our nation.
3,238 posted on 12/04/2001 4:25:07 PM PST by Moby Grape
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