[Moby Grape]

Alan, one thing I have noticed about you third party folk is that you love to write long, long, long, defenses...it is not necessary. (the only one in your little tent that keeps it short is OWK, who pretends he is Fred McMurray and just asks, "What are your principles, Chip?"...."What is the meaning of partriot, Chip?"....."Now Chip and Ernie, Bub is right, we live a police state.".... And, once again, you take an arrogant posture, suggesting that, since I do not agree with you, I do not know what I believe. We who do not hold to the Chicken-Little-Sky-Is-Falling-We-Live-In-A-Police-State mentality, nonetheless, share many of your concerns....expansion of government, over taxation, loss of liberties, anti-gun rights efforts, unenforced immigration laws, etc.....What WE do not hold to is the nutty idea of legalizing drugs, that all cops (or most of them) are part of some grand conspiracy to steal our freedoms, that going to war to KILL those who will kill us if we do not is wrong, that ALL republicans are socialist, that ALL repulicans are statist, that there is NO difference between republicans and democrats, and any of the other broad brush generalizations that tend to flow from the Libertarians, and others. We also believe that having someone like Harry Browne in charge of anything more than a hot dog stand would be the assure the destruction of our nation.

[Alan Chapman]

In response to: 3238

I couldn't help but notice that you addressed nothing I challenged you on in #3235.

...one thing I have noticed about you third party folk is that you love to write long, long, long, defenses...

Too bad. I know you're in a hurry to get back on over to the mutual admiration thread where everyone agrees with each other. One thing I've noticed about you incumbent party types is your evasiveness and the great lengths you will go to silence those who challenge you.

We...do not hold to the...We-Live-In-A-Police-State mentality.

Bush law chief (Ashcroft) tried to suspend habeas corpus. If that doesn't smack of police-statism I don't know what does. You tell me. Again, I ask you, do you give Bush and Ashcroft a pass because they're Republicans? Where's the outrage in the GOP? No Libertarian candidate would ever support such a thing. He would be shunned by fellow Libertarians and probably banished. Furthermore, no Libertarian would just blow it off and make excuses because he's one of our own.

...the only one in your little tent that keeps it short is OWK...

Despite OWK's briefly worded challenges to others to defend their positions he is personally attacked and ridiculed. Often accused of floating straw men with perfectly legitimate questions usually requiring a simple yes or no. He challenges others to think and to defend their positions and instead he is resented for it. A sure sign that somebody is insecure with their own beliefs is their evasion of the challenge and the subsequent lashing out at the one who posed it.