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To: Alan Chapman
Alan...there you go....you start making one of those long winded (the anti-Bush, anti-gubmint folks usually do) attacks....WE DO NOT AGREE THAT THE GOP ARE A BUNCH OF ANTI-GOVERNMENT SOCIALIST STATIST.....that is what CASTRO is....you see, we do agree with you that there are WAY too many weak republicans, way too many poll reading moderates, way to many professional politicians...but unlike you, we do not take the childish tact of calling EVERYONE socialist who do not come into our little tent...and THIS is our complaint about you guys...You have this false definition of "principle" that somehow defines patriot as one who would vote third party EVEN if doing so elects an anti-gun, big government, anti-liberty DEMOCRAT.....We, on the other hand, know that change for the good DOES NOT come be giving victory to the enemy.
3,225 posted on 12/04/2001 3:17:47 AM PST by Moby Grape
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To: Impeach the Boy
Alan...there you go....you start making one of those long winded (the anti-Bush, anti-gubmint folks usually do)attacks...

And there you go making an suttle insinutation that we're anti-government while probably not being aware of it.

WE DO NOT AGREE THAT THE GOP ARE A BUNCH OF ANTI-GOVERNMENT SOCIALIST STATIST.....that is what CASTRO is....

Anti-government socialist statist? I didn't know what was possible.

Perhaps you could explain something to me so I can better understanding where you're coming from. Castro/Cuba - warrantless government surveillance, secret trials, no due process, and indefinite detention of suspects. What do you call that? Bush/US - warrantless government surveillance, secret trials, no due process, and indefinite detention of suspects. What do you call that? Is there a difference? Is it ok for Bush and Ashcroft to do these things because they're all-around nicer guys? Is it ok for them to do these things because they wear suits and ties and Castro wears fatigues? Is it because Castro just looks meaner?

Do you think that all these new police powers won't remain in effect once Bush leaves office? They'll still be here the next time Democrats are in control and they'll continue to add more.

If Bill Clinton signed these sweeping new police powers into law you'd be calling him a traitor and a commie. You know it and I know it. But, Bush and the Republicans are in control. For some reason they get a pass. Explain that to me.

...we do agree with you that there are WAY too many weak republicans, way too many poll reading moderates, way to many professional politicians...but unlike you, we do not take the childish tact of calling EVERYONE socialist who do not come into our little tent...

Somebody once told me I should grow thicker skin. I would suggest improving those debating skills of yours so you can effectively make the case that the people you support really do support freedom, limited government, and the people who believe otherwise are mistaken.

You have this false definition of "principle" that somehow defines patriot as one who would vote third party EVEN if doing so elects an anti-gun, big government, anti-liberty DEMOCRAT.....We, on the other hand, know that change for the good DOES NOT come be giving victory to the enemy.

No, YOU have a false definition of principle.

And, no, we don't define a patriot as somebody who votes third party. But, rather somebody who does not compromise one's principles for convenience, expediency, or personal satisfaction.

...if doing so elects an anti-gun, big government, anti-liberty ..DEMOCRAT.....We, on the other hand, know that change for the good DOES NOT come be giving victory to the enemy.

If this weren't so sad it would be funny. You defeat an anti-gun, big government, anti-liberty Democrat by electing an anti-gun, big government, anti-liberty Republican.

Let me ask you something. Do you ever check to see how your leglislators are voting? Do you know of any Internet resources where you can check?

Do you ever call or write your Congressman to register your dissatisfaction when he votes for gun-control, or votes to increase funding for some pork project, or votes to strip you of your freedoms?

Or do you simply elect a Republican and assume that because he's a Republican that he must be voting in a manner consistent with your own values? Do you just keep voting the same person back into office election after election hoping that maybe somebody they'll really reign in government like they've been promising to all along?

I want to know where you stand. You already know where I stand.

3,235 posted on 12/04/2001 2:30:58 PM PST by Alan Chapman
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