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To: Physicist
so now all medical experimentation is off-limits because the nazis did evil medical experiments?

i don't know how you came to this conclusion. the issue at hand is cloning.

hitler was trying to create a master race and purify his territories through genocide, involving the killing of innocent people. people that want to clone are in a sense trying to create a master race in that they want to perpetuate themselves. they can also be involved in genocide, the killing of embryos.

the bible outlaws cloning as a way to make humans. please read genesis with special attention to chapter 4 vs 1 and 2. also, embryos are alive, please read job where, when lamenting life, he wished he had been killed before he was born. there must be life before there can be a death.

of course, we have all of the ethical questions about what we are creating, and all the theological questions. is a clone a human being? does it have a soul? will it be a mass of human cells, but lacking a conscience, or morals?

i certainly do not want to be an alarmist, but let's just say that these cloned beings do not have human values and want to destroy humans. how will we know who they are? how will we stop them? sort of like an al-qaeda cell in the united states, except they look like you and me!

63 posted on 11/28/2001 4:35:16 PM PST by mlocher
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To: mlocher
i don't know how you came to this conclusion. the issue at hand is cloning.

Well, there you have it. The Nazis didn't clone anybody.

hitler was trying to create a master race and purify his territories through genocide, involving the killing of innocent people. people that want to clone are in a sense trying to create a master race in that they want to perpetuate themselves.

Don't you see the difference? In Nazi Germany, genetic choices were made by the State and implemented through death. With IVF and cloning, the choices will be made by the individual and implemented through new life. They are opposites. (As for the killing of embryos, I have already stipulated that that needs to be fixed.)

the bible outlaws cloning as a way to make humans. please read genesis with special attention to chapter 4 vs 1 and 2.

I am neither a Christian nor a Jew, and in any case our laws are not based on the Bible.

of course, we have all of the ethical questions about what we are creating, and all the theological questions. is a clone a human being? does it have a soul? will it be a mass of human cells, but lacking a conscience, or morals?

i certainly do not want to be an alarmist, but let's just say that these cloned beings do not have human values and want to destroy humans. how will we know who they are? how will we stop them? sort of like an al-qaeda cell in the united states, except they look like you and me!

Your fears are so foolish and ill-founded that I will not address them other than to point out that every twin in existence is a clone. I suggest you ask one of them.

72 posted on 11/28/2001 5:57:57 PM PST by Physicist
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