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To: SoothingDave
Playing God by artificially making babies in test tubes is wrong.

IVF is no more "playing God" than any other medical advance. Think hard: why don't you raise the same objection to heart transplants, or to antibiotics? (Or do you?)

We have plenty of actually existing children in this world without people having to tickle their vanity by having one of their own genetic material.

Read that sentence again. The same objection applies equally well to anyone who has a baby the old-fashioned way. And who are you--who is anyone--to decide who gets to reproduce, and how?

If God gave us our brains for a reason, it was to solve problems for our own survival (as a species, as individuals or as families). Infertility is as valid a problem for our solution as any other you can name.

26 posted on 11/28/2001 10:56:54 AM PST by Physicist
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To: Physicist
IVF is no more "playing God" than any other medical advance. Think hard: why don't you raise the same objection to heart transplants, or to antibiotics? (Or do you?)

I raise the same objections to euthanasia. Doctors are expected to do what they can to heal the body. Doctors are not expected to decide when life should end. Likewise doctors should not be deciding when life begins.

If God gave us our brains for a reason, it was to solve problems for our own survival (as a species, as individuals or as families). Infertility is as valid a problem for our solution as any other you can name.

Infertility is not a problem for the species. It might even be a solution for the species.

In any event, we are not to play God in deciding who dies or in deciding who is brought to life. God gave us brains to figure out many things. Not all of them are pleasing to Him.

The technology pioneered by doctors "just trying to help infertile couples" is now leading us to cloning. Which will lead to future disasters. Yes, we have the brains to do this. Do we have the brains not to?

SD

28 posted on 11/28/2001 11:03:18 AM PST by SoothingDave
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To: Physicist
And who are you--who is anyone--to decide who gets to reproduce, and how?

I find this particularly amusing. My position is to let God sort these things out. We can certainly use medicines or hormones to help infertile couples achieve normal function of their systems.

What decides now is whoever has the money to go through these high tech procedures.

SD

30 posted on 11/28/2001 11:07:13 AM PST by SoothingDave
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To: Physicist
If God gave us our brains for a reason, it was to solve problems for our own survival (as a species, as individuals or as families). Infertility is as valid a problem for our solution as any other you can name.

And yet even today, nearly 50 years after it was performed, the data obtained from the experiments of Dr. Mengele cannot be used in any way for the advancement of medical science.

This is not because of an objection to torturing or killing. There is no torture or murder involved in reading the data from these experiments It is not because the data is not scientifically valid, scientists who have examined it say that it appears to be valid, but for the reasons stated, a thorough review has not been performed.

It is because experimentation on human life is an abomination, not to be accepted. Dr. Mengele either did not realize this or did not care about it. Apparently you do not either.

31 posted on 11/28/2001 11:18:51 AM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: Physicist
ivf is no more playing god than any other medical advance. ivf and cloning for that matter have to do with the creation or a human, a sacred act spelled out in gen 4:1-2. other medical advances are not trying to create life, but rather to prolong life. there is a major difference.
64 posted on 11/28/2001 4:40:05 PM PST by mlocher
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