[Physicist]

Ask yourselves: would you still object if this baby had been carried successfully to term? Would your objections be louder, or would they be tempered by the celebration of a new human life?

Cloning does not in principle have to result in the death of the embryo. Once that hurdle is overcome, it cannot be morally equated with abortion. It will be morally equivalent to any fertility treatment. Then what will you say? Will you object to it more, or less?

[SoothingDave]

Cloning does not in principle have to result in the death of the embryo. Once that hurdle is overcome, it cannot be morally equated with abortion. It will be morally equivalent to any fertility treatment. Then what will you say? Will you object to it more, or less?

I object to fertility treatments which are unnatural. Like IVF. Not just because they lead to abortion ("selective reduction") and disposal of unwanted embryos, but because they are wrong in and of themselves.

In this sense cloning and IVF are both equally abominable. But in the sense that cloning will lead to "designer" babies and other sick societal effects, cloning is a bigger abomination.

I must say that the IVF baby or the clone is an innocent whose life should be protected. Regardless of how they came into existence.

SD