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To: Physicist
So now all medical experimentation is off-limits, just because Nazis did evil medical experiments? That's like calling Boy Scout camps reminders of Nazis, because after all, they built camps, too.
A bit of a straw man don’t you think? When I said “the same things the Nazis did, such as the medical experimentation” I was not referring to “all medical experimentation.” I was specifically referring to the medical experimentation the Nazis did (“things the Nazis did”).

In case you find that difficult to understand, let me be clear. All medical experimentation is not off limits, nor is all medical experimentation immoral in my view. On the other hand, medical experimentation which destroys a human life (generally one that the experimenter considers sub-human) merely for the sake and convenience of the research is immoral and Nazi like.

I find this priest to be disingenuous.
Given your straw man I found you disingenuous. I guess that makes you even.
When he says, "From the moment of conception, the embryo is invested with human dignity and blessed with the gift of life," I don't believe he believes what he's saying.
What on earth do you base that on? That you can’t understand how someone could hold such a view? I can assure you there are indeed people who believe this. The generally orthodox Catholic view is that the child receives its soul from God at the moment of its conception, and thus has its full human dignity at this point. I fully believe that, and have no doubt the priest does as well.

You have little basis for your accusation. The only one I can think of, and you would have to be the one to decide if its accurate or not, is that you haven’t had a lot of exposure to those of us who think this way. While you can disagree all you like it is probably not reasonable for you to assume you know this priest believes or does not believe.

patent  +AMDG

15 posted on 11/28/2001 9:52:35 AM PST by patent
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To: patent
What on earth do you base that on?

On the fact that of all the embryos destroyed in the world, this is the one for which we hear him. That suggests to me that his motivation is an objection to the cloning itself.

That you can’t understand how someone could hold such a view? I can assure you there are indeed people who believe this.

For ordinary people, yes. For clones, no. Most people who are anti-abortion would have been horrified to see this baby carried to term. Mark my words, we'll see violent protests from many people once cloned humans are born, with the pro-life activists in the van.

18 posted on 11/28/2001 10:18:32 AM PST by Physicist
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