Posted on 11/28/2001 3:38:10 AM PST by Mr. Mulliner
If you were intelligent enough to understand the article and ambitious enough to actually read it, you wouldn't have to ask silly questions. Are you an Arab?
I've long noticed the Arab penchant for blustery hyperbole, "mother of all battles," "rivers of blood," land burning beneath your feet," etc. that constitutes their attempts to terrify their enemies. I think western people for the most part, reporters and other media particularly, tend to take this empty boasting seriously and start issuing alarmist warnings about the ferocity of our Islamic foes. "Fifty thousand body bags," "4th largest army in the world," "elite" Republican guards," yada yada yada, and the medias all time favorite shibboleth the dreaded Q word. QUAGMIRE! shudder gasp!
And Arabs, used to this paper tiger bluster with no reality, like you said, tend to not understand nor anticipate how deadly serious, the low key and moderately voiced stated intentions of the CINC really are. They are beginning to find out that this President means what he says, and their sniveling and whining reaction to current events does my heart good.
Right now what pitiful amount of universites there are left in Afghanistan are filling up quick with women wanting to be doctors. They can educate people over there till the place is full of people holding college degrees, but their spiritual darkness will only eventually pull them right back to the stone age just like it did 25 years ago, and 1,500 years ago.
By George, I think you've got it!
As strange as it might seem, I don't think that Arabs are stupid OR lazy. Besides which, Muslims are NOT all Arabs. What I DO find, is that many of the Arabs who follow this fanaticism have more or less been lied to for generation upon generation so they could be more easily controlled. They are a proxy army, from prebirth until death, for evil, despotic leaders and psychopathic murderers. They have never been taught differently since Mohammad stole Islam.
If all you have ever learned with your math and your geography was hate, hate, and MORE hate, you would be hard pressed NOT to hate. Their leaders have made their transformation from hatred to peace impossible. The most rewarding profession there is in Islam is murder in return for martyrdom.
These things are ingrained in their psyches from cradle to grave. That is why, even now, though the incitements and demonstrations are becoming less, it isn't because they don't hate us or anything different from themselves including slightly different replicas of themselves from amongst themselves. It's because their LEADERS are smart enough to learn the fear of losing the golden goose. US.
Ya your absolutly right, they aren't anything like us. I mean they don't look like us, they smell funny, they rat weird food, they dress funny. Boy am I glad I'm an us and not a them.
< /dripping sarcasm>
Yair.
Its not too bad, at that!
OK.
But you start the process.
And, given that we Americans are from 168 nations and that around 15% of us were born in those 168 nations, please first define "American" -- take your time, now -- and then define "the mind of the American," willyah?
And get back to us with your definitions
excellent observation. This accounts for the chronic revisionism which plagues the Arab Islamic world with respect to their history of demagoguery and hegemony.
Patria One I just found out why you lie so much. The above paragraph is a pretty good start on an explanation.
With the exception of that last point about Arabs passively "expecting" success (remember that Saudi prince who trained for the Olympic ski jump team by meditating in a cave?), the article could have been describing eastern Asian culture, which puts a severe emphasis on the concept of "face." Many of those cultures (but I'm mainly thinking Chinese, since I've lived in Taiwan) appear to be dominated by the men, but in the traditional Chinese home, the tai tai (wife) is in charge of all of the money and has the final word on family business decisions. Child rearing in the Arab world, as in Asia, appears to be dominated by women also. You just don't see Arab men having anything to do with children - not even during meals - until the children are old enough to be of use as warriors or laborers. But what jumped out at me when I scanned the article was this:
To me, that's a textbook description of a matriarchal society. In the West, it's a dead-on description of feminism. The brief excerpt from the book would lead one to believe that the kids - yes, even the boys - are socialized by women before being turned out to society. The weird reports of Bin Laden's ongoing contact with his mother might provide some insight into this phenomenon, if we knew what they talked about."The idea that problems can be solved by Arab individuals themselves, and that the citizen must actually participate in solving their own societys problems, is an idea that is incomprehensible to significant portions of the Arab population."Interesting food for thought when you relate it to Western culture - thinking about the American "daycare center" in terms of the Arabian harem, where women take charge of molding the children in the complete absence of men. This is a brand new development in the West. All I've been taught about Western civilization has told me that almost all of our significant advances were directly related to the fact that boys were socialized by men (I'm pretty sure that this is what distinguishes patriarchy from matriarchy). It's possible that radical Islam culture isn't encroaching on the West, but that the West is slipping backwards to meet it.
When in Saudi Arabia, my step father knew a man that was arrested for running over an Arab man that got off a bus and was crossing the street without looking to see if it was clear or not first. The man apparently didn't check the road because if he got ran over then it was Allah's will.
They believe that whatever happens, happens because it's Allah's Will, even if the Muslim is too stupid to know to check the street before crossing unless it's an American that accidently runs over the Muslim then, of course, it's murder and the American gets thrown in jail, held without charges or counsel, not even allowed his medicines for diseases like diabetes and beaten until the authorities allow the person to leave or decide to charge and try the person in court. The person is told to leave the country by the next day or else if the authorities release him.
In the case of the man my step father knew, after 3-4 weeks (without his medicines for diabetes, to boot) he was turned loose and told to leave the Kingdom immediately or else.
I have also seen Muslim men hugging each other, arms around each other's shoulders one minute, then for no or little reason, they start yelling at each other, pull knives on each other and try to kill each other the next minute only to start smiling and hanging all over each other in the next minute.
It's very confusing but also quite a bit more lively than the typical stiff upper lip Western persona. They aren't afraid to show any type of emotion, that's for sure.
Bbiab. Time for my coffee so that I can communicate half way coherently. :)
In my opinion, some who focus on the problems of the Arabs do so to legitimize denying them the very antidotes to the very problems they correctly deplore such as the right to vote and freedom of the press. When people are denied our freedoms, they become nutty along the lines described above, be it in Germany, Spain, or Syria. And when given those freedoms, they prosper.
At least in East Germany they didn't skin each other alive and tear down all trace of civilization. The task to raise these people above their cave man status would be a huge undertaking and not workable as is obvious by their past. They seem to rise to a certain level, then because of some spiritual, dark, defeatist, "something" they slide back into war and self destruction. So far they don't seem big on understanding cause and effect, their comprehensive reasoning takes on more cunning than reasoned intelligence, with no issue of right or wrong, fair or unfair, just or unjust coming into play at all. That is just my observation but it indicates to me a pretty hopless situation.
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