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To: barf
I saved your more difficult question because you are not going to like the answer. First, lets get a little background information out of the way:
1. The radar used by Boston Center has a sweep rate of 12 seconds (eg it covers 360 degress every 12 seconds).
2. When a radar antenna is not looking at a target it cannot gather information about that target.
3. Page 42 of Exhibit 13A shows radar data from 8 different sources tracking the P-3.
4. Only the Boston Center radar has more than one data point logged per sweep.
5. You are claiming the multiple data points reveal a "sled" being towed by the P-3 approximately 1 mile back (which makes the sled return almost coincide with the P-3 return).
6. Therefore, the "double returns" are actually data recorded from different radar sweeps, with one being the P-3 and the other being the towed target.
7. That would mean that on a timeline, each entity of a "double return" should actually be seperated by 12 seconds.

And now the bad news...they are not. This link:

http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:OiySgBp1ql0:twa800.com/pages/radaranalysis.htm+ntsb+13a&hl=en

has a link that lists the tabular data of all the radar data provided to the NTSB. The tabular data link is a zip file, and after you unzip it you can find a file with Boston Center radar data tabulated. Each data point is listed using X/Y coordinates with respect to the Islip NY radar (just like page 42). Each data point also has a time associated with when it was recorded followed by the corrected time of -1.25 seconds. By plotting each point you can build the sequence of when they appeared on the radar. What you will quickly notice is the tracks for the P-3 appear sequentially just as they are depicted on page 42. If one of the contacts was a sled and one was a P-3 seperated by 1 mile than they would plot in a leapfrog pattern. Instead they plot 4 seconds apart. That is not possible, as in a 4 second period the radar beam moves 120 degrees. I'm sure you'll agree that the "double returns" are more than 120 degrees apart. Therefore, since the Boston Center radar data has points that it cannot have seen, and none of the other 7 radars record anything like a double return, I think it is safe to say the anomolies in the Boston Center data represent a data error, and not a sled.

What say you?

306 posted on 12/15/2001 2:38:57 PM PST by Rokke
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To: Rokke
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha my stomach hurts ha ha ha ha ha stop it ha ha ha ha ha oh lord ha ha ha ha ha ha forgive him God for he knows not what he says ha ha ha ha ha
307 posted on 12/15/2001 4:34:50 PM PST by barf
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To: Rokke, SBeck, Criminal Number 18F, Asmodeus, Silly, Non-Sequitur, a6intruder
Barf, I pinged a few people who may want to catch up on the progress of this thread. I normally wouldn't do this, but since you've been so polite to me in your recent posts, I thought it appropriate. Just to refresh everyone's memory, let me sum up your theory. Let me see, it went something like this:

A 30 knot surfaced sub launched a KKV equipped, chaff emiting Standard missile at a target towed 1nm behind a P-3.

But there are no subs that can do 30knots on the surface, the Navy has launched a grand total of 2 KKV equipped Standard missiles since 1997, and there is absolutely no evidence of the P-3 towing anything. Basically, you have zero evidence to support your theory. But other than that, I think you might be on to something. I hope you are hungry, because here are some quotes I think you need to eat:

"Our own NTSB is either dishonest or incompetent since their own data shows why it happened"

"If the report writers are the wonderful people that you claim that they are, ask them to not write all of those 'lies' which you disagree with."

"Being blind to the facts is easy for idiots. Just close you eyes and pretend that they go away."

"You pretend to be knowledgeable but telling everyone what it wasn't doesn't take smarts; but telling us what it was does. Show us how smart you really are."

"Why the NTSB did not detail it indicates something to hide"

"It was a stupid lie when looking back on it because the radar evidence shows what really happened. "

"Relative to supplying a URL for the sled, please recognize that I alone discovered the sled in the radar data shown in NTSB Exhibit 13A. If you want an URL take this paragraph out. Some of us are not just brainless conspiracy nuts. I originally believed the government statements but after reviewing the actual data, came to the conclusion that they were either stupid or lying. There is no other way to put it. Their data tells us what happened."

"Please stay up to date on technology before mouthing off."

"The only thing suggested to me is that the sheeple don't have eyes. I took the time to look at the data. Most people likely don't and take the word of the government. I did that too in the beginning but learned that what we were being told was garbage. The data told a different story."

"Our government lied to us. Plain and simple."

"Please explain in terms that engineers might use rather than propaganda users might use."

"The evidence that the TWA800 was shot down is both accurate and cogent. The radar evidence in Exhibit 13E shows what 13A shows in plan, in elevation."

"The NTSB is pretty sneaky."

"Pretending to not see something that you do see is not being fair in a forum unless you have an agenda to dispute the truth."

"Your inability doesn't surprise me, otherwise you wouldn't be arguing against the facts."

309 posted on 12/15/2001 4:43:06 PM PST by Rokke
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To: Rokke
Do I have to explain simple trig to you? Unless you are totally stupid, you saw two returns per sweep. Connect the long spans together and you will note that each set runs parallel with the track of the P3. Connect the short spans together and they do not run parallel with the P3 track. So guess what, Einstein, the long spans are the tow line between the two symbols which represent the P3 and the 'sled'. Is our NTSB too incompetent to have not seen this or are they only dishonest? They tried to mask this with Exhibit 13B which likely proves that they are not incompetent, only dishonest. The heads of the NTSB were the crooks who told the lies.
310 posted on 12/15/2001 4:54:28 PM PST by barf
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