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To: acehai
When Vernon Grose made the statement referenced in '84' he was aligned with Cmdr William Donaldson's position. When Bob Donaldson asked me to join their group I didn't because I felt that William had gone off half cocked in saying that a missile caused a pressure wave which hit the B747 nose. A major problem was that no missile was observed exploding at the initiating event. My theory was that a missile caused a violent CCW yaw and that caused the nose to push against the adjoining air causing the altitude transducer to show a higher pressure hence an indicated lower altitude. My theory did not require an exploding missile and all FDR anomalies could be tied to the yaw coupled with a negative pitch. A KKV striking the lower left hand side of the rear fuselage could give both conditions. When looking at the positions of the sled, sub and B747 at the time of the crash a rear pursuit is illustrated. Much of the wing damage could come from hydraulic pressure within a wing full of fuel when subjected to the violent yaw. The effective center of yaw was between the engines no. 1 and 2. This is what caused the seat backs to deform to the right and decapitate the victims irrespective where they were seated. Robt Francis expressed surprise at the number of decapitations and the fact that none of the victims had been burned. Obviously, the NTSB did not look at or analyse their own data. The FDR told us what happened along with the radar but our public servants must be either incompetent or dishonest. I can't imagine spending 100M and not getting the correct answer unless they were ordered to not give the right answer. There was no need for the reconstruction or CalTech study or the missile tests off Eglin AFB. The jury was already in on the day of the crash. Having a sub crew keep quiet is no problem. None of them witnessed the intercept since they were in their steel box. The P3 crew were aware of the crash but could not prove that the sled was the culprit. The missile was not a living person and the TWA800 witnesses were all dead. Claiming that many people could have been whistleblowers is insane. Who actually witnessed the cause of the crash? Meyer, the helicopter pilot, saw events which happened while the plane was falling out of the sky. He mistook the O2 cannisters cooking off as ordnance but the cause had happened at least 15 seconds before those explosions. At least one witness saw an object make a hard turn and intercept the B747 but likely could not identify what it exactly was. Who or what besides the FDR and the radar knew what really happened? Neither the radar or FDR would be expected to show up at the Bal'mer hearings and dispute the NTSB reasoning. Boeing and TWA may have known that they were not responsible but sat there with their fingers up their butts not saying a word. Boeing likely got an oversight contract to cover the lawsuit costs. The trial lawyers were happy since they got their ill gotten gains. The survivors were sad but rich. I don't know what TWA got out of it besides the deaths of a lot of coworkers. They are now defunct as an airline since the former TWA employees are now AMR employees. Bill Clinton may have been the only person who really benefitted.
102 posted on 12/04/2001 8:07:54 PM PST by barf
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To: barf
I should revise my last sentence in post 102 by adding: "and he had the authority to order a cover-up." If Jim Hall or Bernie Loeb ever spill the beans, they may likely blame Slick Willie. I would hate to go to my grave having people believe that I were a perfect example of the Peter Principle if someone else were the reason.
103 posted on 12/05/2001 9:27:51 AM PST by barf
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To: barf
"Meyer, the helicopter pilot, saw events which happened while the plane was falling out of the sky. He mistook the O2 cannisters cooking off as ordnance but the cause had happened at least 15 seconds before those explosions." [emphasis added]

Witness Meyer's Own Press Graphic

The timeline and location of the major events of the disaster was approximately as follows:

8:31:11 Intact and climbing 747 approaches 13,800 feet.

8:31:12 Initiating Event at 13,800 feet followed immediately by the commencement of the decapitation process.

8:31:47 explosion of Massive Fireball at 5500-7500 feet. The eyewitnesses contend that the Massive Fireball explosion was immediately preceded by the fiery streak.

8:31:55-8:31:57 splashdown of the Massive Fireball flames.
Source

You've accounted for the fiery streak and the Massive Fireball explosion but you added the following sentence without further explanation, clarification or documentation:

"At least one witness saw an object make a hard turn and intercept the B747 but likely could not identify what it exactly was." [emphasis added]

Having already accounted for the fiery streak, the Massive Fireball explosion and the 2 small explosions immediately preceding it described by witness Meyer that occurred long after and and well over a mile lower in the sky than the Initiating Event at 13,800 feet at 8:31:12, it would appear that any witness who "saw an object make a hard turn and intercept the B747" must have seen other fiery events in the sky that Meyer did not include in his own narrative or graphic.

Let's see if you can name even one such witness, include the reference source URL and quote the portion therein you think supports your unique P-3 towing a sled, etc. "shootdown" hypothesis.

104 posted on 12/05/2001 4:57:43 PM PST by Asmodeus
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