[Aliska]

Most specifically, the modern nation of Israel is a pivotal prophecy having been fulfulled, IMO, and points to our having entered the end end times. How long it will take to play out, I don't claim to know.

I can't discuss more until this evening but I was curious about peoples' input about the "signs in the sun and the moon and stars". I haven't seen any particular evidence of that yet, unless part was possibly fulfilled by Fatima (I discount Medjugorje phenomena). We haven't seen anything like the "sun not giving light" or the "moon turning to blood" except during volcanos, etc. Also, now I'm wondering if there would be a geographical locus to some of the prophecy since we now know that unless we see it on TV, not everyone around the planet sees everything the same.

[Buggman]

I can't discuss more until this evening but I was curious about peoples' input about the "signs in the sun and the moon and stars". I haven't seen any particular evidence of that yet, unless part was possibly fulfilled by Fatima (I discount Medjugorje phenomena). We haven't seen anything like the "sun not giving light" or the "moon turning to blood" except during volcanos, etc.

Actually, if you read Matt. 24:29-31, Rev. 6:12-18, Isa. 2:10, 13:10 and 34:4, and Joel 2:31 one after the other, I think it's fairly evident that the sign of the darkening heavens immediately precedes and is a part of the Second Coming, not an occurance years in advance.

Yours in Truth,

[TomSmedley]

"signs in the sun and the moon and stars".

Jesus, when speaking prophetically, used the standard prophetic vocabulary that any Biblically literate hearer would recognize.

Hence, the confusion today!

(Whenever the prophets spoke of the visible heavens in disarray, they were metaphorically discribing political upheaval. But you need to be Biblically literate and familiar with the genres of Scripture to make that connection)