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To Oorah or Not to Oorah? (repost)
Leatherneck Magazine ^ | 29 Mar 01 | Ed Vasgerdsian

Posted on 11/25/2001 9:39:17 AM PST by real saxophonist

To Oorah or Not to Oorah?

Story by Ed Vasgerdsian

I was a Marine before they got rid of the M1 rifle, .45-caliber pistol and C-rations and, these things not withstanding, there have been other changes in the Corps as well. As a former Marine, try as I may to keep up with change, it is neither easy nor possible. Reunions aren't any help since they reinforce what I already know or remind me of what I've forgotten. Most former Marines can find old duty stations and a few friends and that's about it.

For the most part we're condemned to whimsical attempts of sounding like we know what we're talking about when we are confronted by our modern Marine Corps. Based upon a recent experience, I've now decided to face reality and admit the truth: I don't know what "oorah" means.

I overheard a couple of young Marines talking, and as they parted company one said to the other, "Oorah!" What a strange word! I guessed it was a food, a drink, a new weapon or a foreign word that had a universal meaning. You know, "Hey, don't forget to bring the oorah." "Why don't we barbecue an oorah?" "I broke my oorah." "The gunny wants to see the oorah." "Oorah for the Red, White and Blue." (Maybe the latter was Hooray--for the Red, White and Blue.) I recalled words from my own Marine Corps experience, like slopchute, pogey bait, shelter half and Mickey Mouse boots but never oorah--or is it oorah?

Later, a Marine at Quantico used the word with me during a telephone conversation. "Oorah, sir," he said, as he hung up. I couldn't respond by saying, "Eh, what was that you said?" Out of desperation I almost said, "Haroo," hoping it meant something like, "The same to you, buddy," or "See you later." Over a period of two months I heard oorah used several times. If there was an appropriate response, what was it? Had the Marine Corps been modernized to the point of using an east Indian mantra?

I live in a large metropolitan city where there are several colleges and universities; surely someone could explain oorah. My plan was to simply say, "Oorah" and wait for a reaction.

Winkie's Wine and Spirits Shop told me they were out of oorah but Ouzo, the Greek stuff, was just as good. I asked for an oorah at a coffee shop, and I was told if it wasn't on the menu, then they didn't have it. At a clothing store I was told lambswool held up better than oorah, and an anthropologist said oorahs have been extinct for thousands of years. At home my wife suggested the grass needed cutting, and the kids shrugged their shoulders implying my early senility. I researched volumes of word books and dictionaries, including military, and found nothing.

As the clouds of darkness gave way to a brighter light, I realized oorah must be strictly military. But where did it come from? There had to be an explanation. I was prepared to accept anything because there are other sayings the Marine Corps has accepted without question.

"Semper Fi," short for Semper Fidelis, is Latin and it means "always faithful." To my knowledge there were no Marines attached to the Roman Legion, yet we use it. "Gung ho" is a Chinese expression that translates into "working together." It became popular when movie actor Randolph Scott portrayed Marine Raider Lieutenant Colonel Evans F. Carlson in the movie by the same name.

"Saddle up" is a cavalry term that John Wayne overused in a portrayal of a Marine gunnery sergeant in the award-winning movie, "The Sands of Iwo Jima."

Historically, there were Marines on horseback but not on Tarawa or Iwo Jima. These were expressions used as part of the Marine Corps I knew, and I never challenged their origins because they were real words, be they Latin, Chinese or U.S. Cavalry.

Ultimately, I gave up pursuing the origin of oorah. After all, there are other things about life and the Marine Corps I didn't understand, so I need not get hung up on this word. I never knew why I didn't make general, and I don't understand how I never shot expert on the rifle range. Oorah would be another unknown factor in my life.

Meanwhile, I promise never to use oorah before shaving, after driving, while watching TV or after Thanksgiving dinner. Further, I will never speak of oorahs in mixed company, be they men, women, republicans or democrats.

Should I encounter an oorah I will not challenge its authority, intimidate it or imitate its behavior. This I promise, so help me, Chesty Puller.

Editor's note: Ed Vasgerdsian, a retired law enforcement officer who served in the Marine Corps from 1953 to 1959, is a free-lance writer.


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To: razorback-bert
Roger that HOOOOYAH.

And it supposedly dates from the early fifties and a bunch of tadpoles in a sporting event.

Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown

41 posted on 11/28/2001 12:28:10 PM PST by harpseal
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To: razorback-bert; Norb2569; Snow Bunny; LadyX; gunnyg
On a hill outside of Jal, New Mexico, is a statue of an Indian, his eyes shaded with his hand looking out over the plains.
He was the last surviving member of the Fookoiya Tribe.
The story goes he was the scout for his tribe as they wandered into an area that was the hunting domain of another tribe.
His tribe was wiped out, and he is left standing there gazing forever over the plains saying, "Where in the Fookoiya?"

Now, what that's got to do with "oorah" I haven't the slightest idea!
I had never heard the word when I got out in '62, but then most people have never heard of the Fookoiya Indians, either.

42 posted on 11/28/2001 12:36:55 PM PST by COB1
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To: COB1; CedarDave

I see cowboys and cows, but no injuns.

43 posted on 11/28/2001 12:42:50 PM PST by razorback-bert
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To: Norb2569; McGavin999; COB1; razorback-bert; Snow Bunny; FallGuy
I'm with you on this one, Norb and McGavin999.
Mighty impressive when properly shouted by a group of supercharged, red-blooded warriors -
right, you are, McG, about when men shout it!
Conveys they can and will overcome anything in their path, with gusto!
Feminine sounding? - no way - comes across as all man!!
44 posted on 11/28/2001 1:14:19 PM PST by LadyX
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To: razorback-bert
It's between Jal and Eunice, Bert.
It's standing on a little hill, and it's just about man size.
45 posted on 11/28/2001 2:17:09 PM PST by COB1
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To: real saxophonist
Amen from a pre Vietnam Jarhead! I'd never heard of "oorah" until the last few years. Like the author, I remember pogie bait, slop chutes, shelter halves, M-1 rifles, BARs, liberty cards, chow hounds, "gunji Marines", and "piss pot" helments but never "oorah"!!!
46 posted on 11/28/2001 2:29:42 PM PST by BnBlFlag
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To: LadyX; Norb2569; McGavin999; gunnyg; Snow Bunny; FallGuy
Heck, I didn't say I didn't like it!
I said I had never heard it when I got out in '62.
When I returned to civilian life and noticed the Marines attracting all the ladies with, "OORAH!", I adopted it, too.
That sound got me three ex-wives and an empty bank account.
I either said it too much or not enough.
47 posted on 11/28/2001 2:30:30 PM PST by COB1
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To: Norb2569
A buddy and I were in a bar overseas when my buddy (who speaks French) overheard a bunch of diaperheads from some African country discussing how they were going to wait for us outside and beat the sh!t out of us. Well, we went on the offensive, stood up to them, and told them to go at it. We were going to let them throw the first punch and then we were going to going to rip their hearts out and stuff it in their mouths (lots of other bodily mutilation kind of stuff). They started sucking up to us, apologizing saying we miss understood. Well, they about sh!t their pants when we both scream a up from the anus and through the gut "Oorah" in unison.
48 posted on 11/28/2001 2:31:14 PM PST by Robert Lomax
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To: BnBlFlag
"I remember pogie bait, slop chutes, shelter halves, M-1 rifles, BARs, liberty cards, chow hounds, "gunji Marines", and "piss pot" helments but never "oorah"!!!"

I remember all those things, too, Bn, but, heck, if it "drips testosterone", I ain't gonna knock it!

49 posted on 11/28/2001 2:44:53 PM PST by COB1
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To: Robert Lomax; real saxophonist
I just know I'm going to catch holy hell for this, but Navy SEALS have been saying something very close to this since the early 1960s....HOOOYAAHH!!
The last time I heard it was watching Jesse Ventura being sworn in as Gov. and he and the SEAL flag-bearers exchanged the call as a salute of honor.
50 posted on 11/28/2001 2:52:52 PM PST by Cuttnhorse
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To: gunnyg
Hey Gunny I know what your saying. It's an "old Corps" verses a "new Corps" thing. My Dad (Korea era) and I have these good-natured disagreements from time to time. I've been saying OORAH since boot camp (1983), and I am still saying it now (Gunny) with 2 years left to retirement. There will always be the Old Corps vs. the New Corps! Hell, I'm the "old Corps" to my still wet behind the ears Marines! Still are and always will be my brothers, old or new Corps. Semper Fi and belated Happy Birthday!

Doug Wilson

GYSGT USMC

51 posted on 11/28/2001 3:20:48 PM PST by rightwingextremist1776
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To: COB1
You're right of course but it sounds to "army" for my tastes. Semper Fi old buddy!
52 posted on 11/28/2001 3:23:21 PM PST by BnBlFlag
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To: COB1
I either said it too much or not enough.

Ya know I've been told a time or two by the ladies that sometime, I just don't know when to stop... (take that anyway you want to - LOL!!)

53 posted on 11/28/2001 3:24:37 PM PST by Norb2569
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To: gunnyg
Like you, Gunny, I can't imagine someone making it out of boot camp without having received at least a couple of good old country ass whippings. At PI, we were run into the ground and had our asses kicked from one end of PI to the other. Made good Marines out of us. It was good enough for many generations before us and a few after. Too bad the country has been taken over by pussies!
54 posted on 11/28/2001 3:30:48 PM PST by BnBlFlag
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To: Norb2569
That's women for you, Norb!
There ain't no pleasin' 'em!
There are two things that you will never have enough of - one of those is money.
55 posted on 11/28/2001 3:33:59 PM PST by COB1
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To: COB1
Man, you have the best sense of humor than anyone I Know! Keep it up!
56 posted on 11/28/2001 3:37:13 PM PST by BnBlFlag
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To: BnBlFlag
Humor?
Heck, all my wives reminded me of that daily!
LOL!
Thanks, buddy.
Semper Fi
57 posted on 11/28/2001 3:49:32 PM PST by COB1
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To: OkieGrit2; Poohbah
From Poohbah: "OO-RAH!" is the cry of a highly motivated Marine. It comes from the Russian "Urrah!" which, freely translated, means "Kill the SOBs!" and is a hallmark of the Russian military of many centuries' standing.
59 posted on 11/28/2001 5:14:00 PM PST by jo6pac
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To: gunnyg
that, together w/General Puller's comments on Semper Fidelis, at the 1956 court-martial of S/Sgt Matt McKeon, tells the story!

Let me see if I have this straight,ok? Chesty Puller testified at a Sgt's court-martial on his behalf? DAMN! Talk about a defense attorney who knows how to call in the heavy artillery! What was the Sgt being tried for,and did the prosecuting JAG cry when he saw the witness list?

60 posted on 11/29/2001 12:30:27 AM PST by sneakypete
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