Posted on 11/24/2001 11:59:07 AM PST by america-rules
Is the President a "Dictator"?
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And people like you come on here and twist their true definitions around to suit your purpose. If you want to convince me this Act is unconstitutional, show me the proof. Let's talk specifics involving real life situations, not just a bunch of hysterical generalizations that may or may not come to pass. If your fears become reality, it will not be because of this bill. It will be because people like you are more concerned with protecting the non-citizens of this country from a loss of freedom that was never guaranteed to them in the first place. You do it at MY expense.
I prefer quality to quantity. There are not enough EO's from the current President as far as I'm concerned. I would like to see most of his predecessor's EO's revoked. That requires a new EO.
Seriously, no he is not a dictator, and as the article points out, he is the latest in a long line of Presidents who made these decisions in wartime.
Keyword: WARTIME!
Funny, the NYT never said a word while Clinton was resident in the White House.
But all those who would surrender their Freedom's for supposed security.....will help make him,or his succesor, one.
redrock
BILL OF RIGHTS BUMP!!!!!!
Isn't that the worst?! If I could write laws, the first one I would write would be that each new bill is completely contained within itself. If an adjustment has to be made to prior bills text or if any reference is made to a prior bill, that entire bill must be stated within the text of the new bill and the old bill removed from the records, not a "in paragraph (18), by striking the period and inserting ';and'; sheesh!!!
COMRADE DAGOSAVITCH
COMMUNIST AGENT
OCCUPIED USSA
Actually, Clinton issued a PDD or an EO, can't remember which, stating exactly that while he was in office. He ordered that all laws and text relating to government issues be written in plain english for all Americans to understand/read and that they be posted on the internet with easy access for anyone computer able, with exceptions for items regarding National Security. If I had the time today, I would post a link to his order, but I don't have the time to dig it up. sorry.
OK,I ride with a Motor Cycle club.Already We are being Systematically reclassified as "Domestic Terrorists".
Okay, now we're getting a little more specific. Have you ever been arrested because you ride with a Motor Cycle club?
BTW, you made a couple of other points yesterday that I would like to dig into deeper, but it will not be worth my time unless we can get some real dialogue going here.
On this we agree. That is why it is so important that we read the law and pay attention to our current administration.
I disagree with you on President GHW Bush. I'm not a fan of his and only voted for him because he was the obvious lesser of two evils. Don't get me wrong, I think he is a nice guy and all, but my views are not all that similar to his and neither are his son's views if you pay close attention.
Okay, I will try not to throw too much of my personal opinion in here. What I'm really interested in is the specifics of this law that has everyone (but me apparently) so worked up. I do have some specific issues with it, but I'm not going to provide you any ammo. Overall, I think it is a good document.
No. Next stupid question?
"Okay, now we're getting a little more specific. Have you ever been arrested because you ride with a Motor Cycle club?
While living in OCCUPIED Florida I was detained for hours under RICO,before I rode with a Motor Cycle Club,THE REASON......3 of us had some sort of Harley tee shirts on!!!The owner of the Establishment was worried.Also in North Carolina while on my way to a Party,Still was an Independent rider,I was Frisked,Finger printed and photographed on the side of the road with 1 other guy.ALL BECAUSE WE WERE GOING TO A PARTY.I later found out I had an FBI PROFILE that stated I had "KNOWN GANG TIES"I know FIRST HAND Of Gestapo tactics.My Friend one night about 4 o'clock in the morning after pulling up in his driveway a carload of guys emptied and beat him bloody,The license plate was a government plate.They left him there and laughed at him.
I remember the days when if you rode a Foreign bike the cops didn't even give you a second look,but if you were on a Davidson they would turn around to frisk you.That was the 80's,I was there and made the change from foreign to domestic(Bike,that is,not Terrorist).There are PLENTY OF THESE STORIES.FACT NOT FICTION.THIS IS ALL BEFORE THE EXPANDED LEGISLATION.
Most of the clubs had to band together and form COALITIONS OR CONFEDERATIONS just to fight the FEDS.I joined a club to be part of a Confederation.
Another thing,we all know how the JD And the FBI/KGB has botched things in the past with NO RECOURSE,do you really want these people to have even MORE POWER?
When I am forced or Inticed to rat my fellow Americans out.....There is a problem.The founders know that there was a intoxication associated with power,we are now seeing it.
COMRADE DAGOSAVITCH
COMMUNIST AGENT
OCCUPIED USSA
LOL! I'm glad you cleared that up! ;)
I later found out I had an FBI PROFILE that stated I had "KNOWN GANG TIES"
Do you have known gang ties?
There are PLENTY OF THESE STORIES.FACT NOT FICTION.THIS IS ALL BEFORE THE EXPANDED LEGISLATION.
Okay, perhaps I was careless in the wording of my original question. I'll try again...Have you been arrested as a result of current law because you ride with a Motor Cycle club?
It is against the law for government officials to randomly meet you in your driveway and beat you up. I'm not saying they don't do it, but if the law says they're not allowed to do it, why the fear of the law? The law is not the problem. Those who break it are.
"Okay, perhaps I was careless in the wording of my original question. I'll try again...Have you been arrested as a result of current law because you ride with a Motor Cycle club?
Please don't get ridiculous.
I believe they are busy at the moment.Who's next? Yes it is the Fringe of your"SOCIETY" that has to worry.I am NOT a MODEL CITIZEN,according to some of these "SOCIALIST" laws.Now ,even worse.
"Do you have known gang ties?"
It depends on what the meaning of is....is.
Notice the differing opinion on the definition,I say club,they say Gang.
That is very important.Because Actually,Freerepublic is a "right-wing" Forum.What would some say if instead of forum they reclassified it to be a gang because I'm a member.GUILT BY ASSOCIATION!!!!Or added "EXTREME"I guess it wont matter until they don't like what YOUR about.I have to go,you have forced me to mull through the legislation and pull out certain articles.That ought to take DAYYYYYYYYYSSSSSSSS.
Be back soon.and look forward to the dialog.
Ahhhhh. My job here is done for the moment. ;)
Hey DAGO, in case it literally does take you days, make sure you spell my name right. I think the new system will insist you get it right to bump me, but if you forget the space after the decimal or miss a letter, I will not get your bump.
I also look forward to discussing whatever you come up with. :)
I give up for now my sinuses are about to blow!!!
I must admit there are a few things I overlooked the first time I actually think MAKE SENCE.
I also found a few things while looking for related things that are of intrest. I will make available upon further investigation.
Looks asthough I'll be in the gov. sites for a while,THANKS!:o(
COMRADE DAGOSAVITCH
COMMUNIST AGENT
OCCUPIED USSA
I will look at the sections you highlighted again, and I'll make note of what I think is right or wrong with them also. I may not be able to devote a lot of time to this tonight, but hopefully will have something for you tomorrow or whenever you get your stuff to me.
Don't knock yourself out over this. You're sick. Get some rest, get well, then we'll hash this thing out.
Wouldn't it be nice if others were doing some research on this too and could toss in their opinions as to why they do or don't think it's constitutional? Maybe I'm dreaming.
COMRADE DAGOSAVITCH
COMMUNIST AGENT
OCCUPIED USSA
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