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NORTHERN NASTY AND NICE (United Way ranks quality of life: Southern states are the worst)
Providence Journal ^ | 11/22/01 | Robert Whitcomb

Posted on 11/23/2001 5:25:09 AM PST by LarryLied

Despite the "friendly" Sunbelt's purported ease and opportunity, the "unfriendly" North continues by far to have the best quality of life.

The United Way now reports that Minnesota (of which I am genetically half a native, which may undermine the good data here) is the best state, in economic well-being, education, health, civic engagement, safety and the environment. Having visited this Midwest Finland, I am not surprised. And I find New Hampshire's Number 2 rating apt, too, having inhabited that rocky realm of rectitude, responsibility and (usually) reasonableness for four years.

Ditto the others in the top 10: Connecticut (even with Hartford!); Massachusetts; Vermont; Maine; Wisconsin; Iowa; New Jersey, and, yes, even Rhode Island, hardly a state at all!

Meanwhile, the bottom 10 are all in the Sunbelt, the worst New Mexico, and then Louisiana.

Maybe it's mostly the weather. The North's bracing and wildly variable climate energizes people and encourages planning and careful citizenship. And it's probably better for you, because cold is bad for bugs. Even the post-war wave of air-conditioning hasn't let previously soporific Southern schools, offices and factories overcome the North's paradoxical climatic advantage.

And Northerners tend to be less mobile, and so less likely to slide into that appalling anomie in which the American Dream is pursued by folks wandering the roads in search of pots of gold that turn out to be tin, and leaving no forwarding address. But then, it is easier to wander about where the weather is warm. Thus the pervasive trailer parks in the Sunbelt, and enough social problems to make you ask if the Sunbelt's growing national power is a good thing. (Don't show this to my Tennessee relatives.)



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To: boxlunch
Give the good old conservative south with at least some sanity in our laws and code of conduct any day.

At least in the North the only Gore counties were the urban counties (which were unfortunately unough to swing their respective states), there were two huge swaths going through the South that went for Gore both urban and rural. So I wouldn't say the South is more conservative, just that the North has bigger cities.

261 posted on 11/23/2001 9:46:59 AM PST by #3Fan
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To: LarryLied
well GORSH!!! i must be gittin' smarter since i moved 800 miles north a couple years ago. north pole here i come!!!

are you sure this wasn't done by the UN? damned yankees! they must be jealous of the diamondbacks taking the world series!!
eat poo-poo and expire!

262 posted on 11/23/2001 9:48:36 AM PST by rockfish59
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To: uglybiker
FITZ is just taking a break from the ongoing battle to keep the Californians out.

Now I can understand that.

263 posted on 11/23/2001 9:48:37 AM PST by #3Fan
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To: FITZ
I doubt the wolves would help much. They keep releasing Mexican Greys out my way and they always end up being shot going after cattle or getting run over.

They don't appear to be the brightest bulbs on the marquis...

264 posted on 11/23/2001 9:49:08 AM PST by uglybiker
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To: #3Fan; IvecrossedmyRubicon
#3Fan, you keep posting to them about southerners "drawing first blood." They skip it, ignore it, and never respond to it. Go read my post #142 that I also posted to several "southerners." My story is NOT made up. It is 100% true. I stand with you on your first blood comment. Great "southern hospitality" welcomed me. LOL!

But then again, I am "not welcomed" after all.

265 posted on 11/23/2001 9:49:28 AM PST by Phantom Lord
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To: #3Fan
Obviously you haven't seen much of New Mexico but that's fine with me. I'm actually glad most people think it's nothing but desert because that allows me to have those mountains and pine forests all to myself, I don't really like the crowded campgrounds you find in other places.
266 posted on 11/23/2001 9:49:40 AM PST by FITZ
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To: rebelyell
We have enough of their kind here already and they are DEGRADING our quality of life.

What is it that the "transplants" are doing to speed the degradation, and how are long-time residents attempting to fight them?

267 posted on 11/23/2001 9:49:46 AM PST by dbwz
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To: antienvironmentalist
Until you understand that we fought it to save the Union, not to free slaves, then you will always have problems with the North.

You have made my point for me. I know exactly why the war was fought. And it wasn't for any of the reasons the Northerners have posted on this thread today. I don't have any trouble with Northerners, until they misrepresent history and suggest that I should ignore their fabrications. 150 years later in retrospect I can see the value of the preservation of the union.....but in 1861, living in the South, I would have fought to defend my home against the invaders. And if you were honest, I think you would fight to defend your home too.
Just remember, most of us could really could care less. That is okay with me, so why did you post to me? I didn't comment to you.

268 posted on 11/23/2001 9:53:33 AM PST by JD86
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To: LarryLied
Who is United Way to rank anyone's life?
269 posted on 11/23/2001 9:55:29 AM PST by freekitty
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To: uglybiker
I doubt the wolves would help much.

I won't depend on the wolves too much then. Maybe I'll have to count on United Way to keep the people out of NM. It's one of the last places left where it's not always freezing where you can still enjoy a lot of open space and uncrowded towns.

270 posted on 11/23/2001 10:00:02 AM PST by FITZ
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To: JD86
Please don't get them stirred up again. They have this thing I don't understand but I don't want to get them riled up and preaching. You know how some people aren't confortable with their position in life and keep apologizing for it? Well, some northerners just keep trying to convince us that they were right, that they had only altrustic reasons for fighting the war, to save the slaves...and they think if they keep saying it, we will eventually agree.

I've never claimed that we entered the war to free the slaves. We entered the war to preserve the union. The South seceded to preserve slavery though as evidenced by South Carolina's Declaration of Secession, therefore there cause was not just and they lost. A fringe benefit was that the Radical Republicans got there wish to end slavery in the process.

However, those who actually lived in the South know most Southerners didn't own slaves...and that most Southerners were fighting to defend their homes.

That's what makes it such a tragedy. 650,000 people died because a few Southern elitists wanted to continue the filthy lucre cash cow of slavery.

The North was the invading force, the South was in the defensive position.

What was that Fort Sumter thing about then? You guys thought you could whoop us, you couldn't.

They can't accept that so they have convinced themselves they had a higher cause than raping and pillaging the South.

So that's why we invaded to get a few rapes and pillages in? That's ridiculous.

If the South was the drag on the Union L-D says, the Union should have just cast the South loose...but they didn't.

The South tried to walk away from a contract with no terms of separation, that's rebellion. Ain't gonna happen.

If the war was to free the slaves, Lincoln would have freed them all at once...but he didn't.

Lincoln didn't have power over the few areas where there slaves left in the North like he did in the South due to the South's rebellion.

So I have come full circle and find I agree with you...they were meddlin'.....but please don't stir them up with the truth, they can't handle it.

You poor boys. You weren't able to keep getting that free money from slavery. I feel sorry for you.

271 posted on 11/23/2001 10:00:47 AM PST by #3Fan
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To: LarryLied
And what the H... is "careful citizenship"? A lot of those people searching for those pots of gold found them and you could say were the backbone of this country with their innovative and creating thinking ways. LET FREEDOM OF THE INDIVIDUAL RING. This is AMERICA and if you don't like, move. We don't need you.
272 posted on 11/23/2001 10:01:41 AM PST by freekitty
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To: IvecrossedmyRubicon
See, you are so dumb. You are not wanted in the South nor were you wanted on this post. You fool. What part of "You Are Not Welcomed" is it that you do not understand?

Another fine example of that "Southern Hospitality". What part of "discussion forum" do you not understand?

273 posted on 11/23/2001 10:02:14 AM PST by #3Fan
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To: #3Fan
Another distinction without a difference. Lincoln freed the slaves in the South by Executive Order...since he thought he was the President of the whole United States, he could just as easily have freed the slaves in the North. No he couldn't. The North was not in rebellion.

You think Presidential Executive Proclamations are only valid against states in rebellion? Where do you read that in the Constitution? Oh, I forgot, Lincoln suspended the Constitution during the War...you may be right.

He didn't because it was not a matter of principle as you Northerners like to claim, it was a matter of economics, for both the North and the South. And it was Lincoln's way of punishing the South. Oh baloney. The North was a more powerful industrialized area as proven by the Civil War. Keeping down the South didn't prop up the North.

Again you have made my point for me. The North was industralized. The farms that they had were small farms. Owning slaves was not profitable in the North. However, it was very profitable for northern ship owners to import and sell the slaves to the South. Because the South was more agrarian and the crops raised in the South were more condusive to large tract farming, ie. plantations, it was more economically feasible for slaves to be used in the South. Thus there was an economic factor is why slavery persisted in the South rather than in the North...thus it was an economic punishment against the South to free the slaves there (in fact taking "property" without compensation) and not freeing the slaves in the North.

274 posted on 11/23/2001 10:03:40 AM PST by JD86
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To: #3Fan
If it makes you feel any better, I have no intention of leaving my state. :^)

Thanks, that makes me feel better. And if it makes you feel better, I have no intention of moving to the land of Lincoln.

275 posted on 11/23/2001 10:05:14 AM PST by JD86
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To: Eaker
GO TEXAS!!
276 posted on 11/23/2001 10:08:11 AM PST by JD86
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To: Savage Beast
Nope. It's not a trick. And I'm not a Southern hospitalitist either. I don't think. What is that anyway?

Most Southerners are good people and I like them a lot. But Free Republic seems to attract a large contingent of them that are self-righteous hypocrits and blame their problems on everyone else and want to somehow claim that a slavery filled pre-1861 South was utopia. I was using the term "Southern Hospitalitist" sarcastically to show their hypocrisy.

277 posted on 11/23/2001 10:08:45 AM PST by #3Fan
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To: LadyX
--hehehehe, I love it when I trap naugas and get good $cratch for their hides to sell to yankees fer their rust-buckets seats, and then sell them nauga meat and label it "chikken", ya...thas the ticket, it's chikken...
278 posted on 11/23/2001 10:08:46 AM PST by zog
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To: LarryLied
The Floriduh Turnpike is Ronald Reagan Turnpike???? Be still my heart. IF I still watched C-Spam, I prbably would have heard the same old biddies everyday telling us that.....but alas I do NOT watch C-SPAM...tooooo one sided...Steve Scully is a lefty rudeboy.
279 posted on 11/23/2001 10:09:56 AM PST by Ann Archy
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To: Romulus
You know, as a tried and true Minnesotan, I would rather not be praised by the United Way. Something like damning with evil praise. I have the impression that the top ranked states all have rather liberal governments. Should I be a tin foil hat and read something into that data?

Anyway, we did have a wonderful Thanksgiving with some of my family. Hope you did as well,

patent

280 posted on 11/23/2001 10:10:04 AM PST by patent
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