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Shorth and accurate analysis.
1 posted on 11/22/2001 6:21:25 AM PST by rebel
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To: rebel
This opened my eyes. I think error #1 is the key to the problem!
2 posted on 11/22/2001 6:26:59 AM PST by HIDEK6
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To: rebel
Bump.
3 posted on 11/22/2001 6:39:47 AM PST by PatrickHenry
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To: rebel
You've got to be careful with spelling mistakes. The Yankees can't argue ideas, so they'll always try for the "uneducated hick" ad hominem attacks, such as comment #2 above...Deo Vindice...the Kid.
4 posted on 11/22/2001 6:44:44 AM PST by warchild9
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To: rebel
Here's what the south stood for after it's fall in terms of freedom and liberty:

The legislation in regard to freedmen may be briefly epitomized in a few paragraphs.

North Carolina: March 10, 1866, an act was passed declaring that one eighth part of African blood constituted a person a negro. It provide that , so soon as jurisdiction in matters relating to freedman should be committed to the courts of the state, negroes should have all the privileges of white men in the prosecution of suits, and be eligible as witnesses in cases involving heir own interests. It extended the criminal laws to all persons, making no distinction in punishment except for rape, which, if committed upon a white female, was made a capital crime for a black. It legalized marriages contracted during slavery. All contracts, to which one of the parties was a colored person, for the sale or purchased of any home, mule, jenner, ass neat cattle, hog, sheep, or goat, whatever the value, and in the case of other articles contracts involving the value of ten dollars, were declared void, except when made in writing, and witnessed by a white person who could read and write. :Marriage between whites and blacks were forbidden.

Mississippi: - November 22, 1865, an act was passed to regulate the relation of master and apprentice relative to freedman. It provided for the apprenticeship to suitable person, former masters being preferred, of all freemen under the age of 18 who are orphans, or who are not supported by their parents, or bound in the case of males till the age of 21, and to the age of 18 in case of females. Power was given to the masters to inflict moderate corporal punishments. Where the age of freedman was uncertain, it could be fixed by the judge of the country clerk.

November 24, 1865, the vagrant act was passed.

Section 2 provides that all freedmen, free negroes a mulattos in this state, ever the age of 18 years, found on the second Monday in January 1866, or thereafter, with no lawful employment of business, or found unlawfully assembling themselves together, either in the day or night time, and all white persons so assembling with freedmen, free Negroes, or mulattos, or usually associating with at free woman, free negro, or mulatto, shall be deemed vagrants, and on conviction thereof shall be fined in the sum of net exceeding, in the case of a freedman, free negro, or mulatto, fifty dollars, and a white man two hundred dollars, and imprisoned at the discretion of the court, the free Negro not exceeding ten days, and the white man not exceeding six months.

Section 5 provided that all Negroes failing to pay an fine or forfeiture imposed should be hired out, or, if that were impossible, should be treated as paupers.

Section 6, provided that a tax not exceeding one dollar should be levied upon every negro between the ages of 18 and 60 to make up a 'freedman's pauper fund."

November 25, 1865, an act was passed to confer civil rights upon freedmen.

Section 1 provided that All Negroes might sue and be sued, and acquire personal property, but should not be allowed to rent or lease any lands or tenements except in incorporated towns and cities, in which place s the corporate authorities be the controlling powers.

Section 2 provided for the intermarriage of negroes, the clerk of probate to keep separate records of the same

Section 3 declared intermarriage between whites and negroes a felony, to be punished by imprisonment for life.

Section 4 gave Negroes the right to five testimony in cases where Negroes where plaintiffs, or defendants.

Section 5 provided that on the second Monday of January, 1866, every Negro must have a lawful home of employment , and must have either a license to do irregular and job work, or a written contract for regular labor

Section 6 provided that negroes quitting the service of employers without good cause before the expiration of their written contract should forfeit their wages.

November 29, 1865, an act was passed prohibiting negroes not in the military service of the United states to "keep or carry arms of any kind, or any ammunition, dirk or bowie knife." Upon conviction for this event, the penalty was a fine of ten dollars and a forfeiture of the weapons. Section 4 of this act provided that all the penal and Criminal laws in force in that state 'defining offense and prescribing the mode of punishment for crimes and misdemeanors committed by slave, free negroes, or mulattos," were thereby re-enacted , and declared in full force as against freedmen.

Georgia - December 17, 1865, negroes were made competent witnesses in cases to which freedmen were parties, and marriages between person of color were legalized.

March 12, 1865, all vagrants or persons leading an immoral or profligate life were made subject to fine, imprisonment, or forced labor for one year, or to bound out for one years in apprenticeship.

March 17, 1865, it was enacted that person of color should have the right to make and enforce contracts, to use an be sued, to give evidence,to inherit, purchase, lease, sell hold, and convey real and personal property, and that they should not be subjected to any other or different punishment for the commission of any offense than such as were prescribed for white persons committing the same.

Alabama, - December, 1865, a bill was passed "making it unlawful for any freedman, mulatto, or free person of color to won fire-arms, or carry about his person a pistol or other deadly weapon," under a penalty of one hundred dollars fine or three month's imprisonment.

December 9, 1965, it was enacted that negroes an mulattos should have the right to sue and be sued, and to testify in cases in which negroe were parties.

Early in 1866, Governor Patton vetoed three bills. One of these provided for the regulation of contracts with freedmen, for which the governor though no special law was necessary. "Information" said he, "from various part of the state shoes the Negroes are every where making contracts for the present year upon terms that are entirely satisfactory to the employers. They are also entering faithfully upon the discharge of the obligations contracted. There is every prospect that the engagement formed will be observed with perfect good faith. I therefore think that special laws for regulating contracts between whites and freedmen would accomplish no good, and might result in much harm.": He also vetoed a bill extending the criminal laws of the state (which were applicable to free persons of color) to freedmen. The bill applied to the freedmen a system of laws enacted for free negroes in a community where slavery existed. "I have" said the governor "carefully examined the laws which , under this bill would be applied to the freedmen, and I think that a mere recital of some of their provisions will show the impolicy and injustice of enforcing them upon the negroes in their new condition" Govern Patton also vetoes "a bill entitled an act upon the Negroes in their new condition.": Governor Patton also vetoed "A bill entitled an act to regulate the relationship of master and apprentice as related to freeman, free Negroes and mulattos," because he deemed the present laws amply sufficient for all purpose of apprenticeship without operating upon a particular class of persons.

5 posted on 11/22/2001 6:46:55 AM PST by Elihu Burritt
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To: rebel
Ah yes, the inalienable right to hold slaves. An idea whose time has come.
6 posted on 11/22/2001 6:52:22 AM PST by speedy
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To: rebel
Though a Southerner by birth, I'm glad of the outcome. I'm glad the country was not divided into two parts, extending an invitation to Spain, France, Prussia and England to come over and try to grab a piece of us, subjecting us to perpetual war. I'm glad Lincoln had the foresight to see this.

I'm glad I did not grow up in a feudal society ruled by landed aristocrats accustomed to bossing people around.

I'm glad I don't have to scratch a subsistance out of some burned-out piece of land, especially knowing I'd give the better half of my labor to the aristocrat.

In short, I hail Lincoln and the liberty he brought. I think we should finish the project and expunge Washington of all Democrats--they have always served the interest of the Southern planters.

8 posted on 11/22/2001 7:21:45 AM PST by tsomer
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To: rebel
1. But four score and seven years prior (87 years to those from southern school systems) our fathers HAD brought forth a new nation. It was conceived in liberty and the Declaration of Independence had used the term '...all men are created equal'. Where is the inaccuracy in that?

2. He will call it a 'civil war' instead of a rebellion. Rebellion would have been more accurate.

3. Acutally the United States would have died, torn apart by a rebellious section engaged in an illegal act.

4. Read some of the compromise proposals offered by Toombs and Davis in 1861. No interest in 'government of the people' in those. More 'government of the people so long as the southern states agree'.

5. The Union soldiers fought to preserve the Union. The southern soldiers fought to destroy it. Simple as that.

12 posted on 11/22/2001 7:35:05 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: rebel
This type of post always makes for pretty funny reading.

One question I always have about this sort of thing is what nature of country do latter day Confederates think there ought to be these days? I certainly decry the constant infusion of power to the Federal Government. I personally think the only thing that alters that is really loud, sometimes threatening protests that force the godless to toss us the occasional bone.

However, there was a sort of glue that sealed the big picture in 1865. If modern Confederates had their way, obviously, that would never have happened. Yet we wouldn't have had two nations ultimately. Didn't Georgia threaten to secede from the Confederacy in 1864 or 1865? Maybe eventually, Macon County would have had to secede from Georgia. And so on and so on. This could have been played out all over the continent. Is that a good thing?

If you think so, you must really feel encouraged by the liberal tactics of these days. The folks like Paul Wellstone (D-Minnesota) want to do everything in their power to balkanize this continent to the nth degree. They are slowly succeeding. At this rate, the first new nation won't be called the Confederate States of America, but the affect will be the same. You'll have Latin Noth America in a large part of the old US. California will likely need to be split in two. You can have Liberal Land in the North East. We can likely think of at least two or three other ways to split this baby up. The best part is, however we split it, it will only be the beginning.

To me there isn't any part of US history more interesting than the Civil War Era. What I like about it is it was an ERA that produced great people, giants really, on both sides. I suppose if I could wave a magic wand, there are some aspects of it I would like to revisit and change. Since I can't do that, I will continue to take refuge is some of the great thousands of stories that came out of the area, some tragic and some exhilarating.

Lincoln took liberties that were theoretical abuses of power. He DID want to win. I wish people who hate him would tell me what they would have done differently if they were in his place.

17 posted on 11/22/2001 8:11:10 AM PST by stevem
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To: rebel
I've been amazed at the pap I've read on FR about the War of Southern Rebellion - ex., that it wasn't about slavery. Pride can do strange things to people. I know there were good men on both sides, at the trooper level - but at the leadership level, the funding and philosophy came from the agricultural plutocrats, who wanted to save their slave-based economy. The same kind of nastiness appeared to try to stop unions - didn't work.
22 posted on 11/22/2001 9:40:59 AM PST by 185JHP
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