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Suspect accused of vandalizing Confederate flag in Mizzou dorm
STL Today ^ | 11/21/2001 11:19 AM | ap

Posted on 11/21/2001 11:54:19 AM PST by shuckmaster

Edited on 05/11/2004 5:33:22 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

COLUMBIA, Mo. (AP) -- Police at the University of Missouri have arrested a student suspected of destroying a Confederate flag in a dorm room.

Dave Sierpina, 18, of Aurora, Ill., was arrested on suspicion of second-degree burglary and property damage.


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To: #3Fan
FREE blacks DID NOT escape to the north (MANY free blacks WERE also SLAVEOWNERS! the damnyankees didn't tell you that in school did they?). and FEW slaves did escape-over 120 years the estimates are <20K, this from the author of RED OVER BLACK.

you really should READ my posts more carefully, as it is difficult to respond intelligently to BUNKUM!

221 posted on 12/06/2001 9:52:42 AM PST by stand watie
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bump
222 posted on 12/06/2001 10:01:58 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: #3Fan
BTW, you mentioned the declaration of independence and ask if that were unimportant.

the obvious answer is YES, if such document was written by a handfull of un-elected aristocrats, un-read & un-heeded by mass of the population (who mostly dispised the wealthy landowners! had we won our war against the damnyankees, the plight of the aristocrats MIGHT have been :slaveless & landless!) AND of NO IMPORT to the cause of freedom. >98% of southrons neither owned, nor wanted to own slaves (or COULD have for that matter, as slaves were $$$$$$$$ and VERY few southrons had the money. the AVERAGE southron service member had GROSS assets of less than $25.00. the aristocrats, with few exceptions, did NOT fight for the CAUSE of southron LIBERTY). the war for southron liberty was, in the main, a PEASANT REVOLT against the damnyankee/wealty classes.

for dixie,sw

223 posted on 12/06/2001 10:12:44 AM PST by stand watie
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To: stand watie
If your figures are correct and so few slaves actually escaped up north - less that 167 per year according to your post - then why such a fuss about forcing through the Fugitive Slave Act of 1850? That means that 99.99479% of all slaves down south in 1850 did not run away up north. Why the need for legislation to deal with the remaining .00521%? Seems like a lot of time, trouble and expense for such a small problem.
224 posted on 12/06/2001 10:12:48 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
NOT my figures! the authors. nonetheless you are, for once, CORRECT!
225 posted on 12/06/2001 10:16:42 AM PST by stand watie
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To: stand watie
So why the need for the Fugitive Slave Act as part of the Compromise of 1850? Either the southern political leadership was making a mountain out of a mole hill or the figures you quoted underestimated the true scope of the runaway slave problem.
226 posted on 12/06/2001 10:26:41 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: stand watie
i INTENTIONALLY do NOT capitolize our HERO-MARTYR's name, because neither i nor any other living man am WORTHY to use the Generals name capitialized. among our people, such usage of the name of one of the tribe's HERO-MARTYRS is accepted, as a rememberence of/memorial to the dead.

We didn't poison the water down there during the war did we?

227 posted on 12/06/2001 4:05:21 PM PST by #3Fan
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To: stand watie
FREE blacks DID NOT escape to the north (MANY free blacks WERE also SLAVEOWNERS!

So what was all this fugitive slave act business then?

the damnyankees didn't tell you that in school did they?).

No need to. You guys keep saying it as if it makes slavery OK. It just proves there were brownnosers.

and FEW slaves did escape-over 120 years the estimates are <20K, this from the author of RED OVER BLACK.

20,000 is a lot in a population of 4 million.

you really should READ my posts more carefully, as it is difficult to respond intelligently to BUNKEM!

Bunkem, Danno.

228 posted on 12/06/2001 4:10:23 PM PST by #3Fan
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To: stand watie
the obvious answer is YES, if such document was written by a handfull of un-elected aristocrats, un-read & un-heeded by mass of the population (who mostly dispised the wealthy landowners! had we won our war against the damnyankees, the plight of the aristocrats MIGHT have been :slaveless & landless!)

Why didn't you guys just ignore their calls for secession and war and save 600,000 lives?

AND of NO IMPORT to the cause of freedom. >98% of southrons neither owned, nor wanted to own slaves (or COULD have for that matter, as slaves were $$$$$$$$ and VERY few southrons had the money.

So many fought and died for the filthy lucre of so few.

the AVERAGE southron service member had GROSS assets of less than $25.00. the aristocrats, with few exceptions, did NOT fight for the CAUSE of southron LIBERTY). the war for southron liberty was, in the main, a PEASANT REVOLT against the damnyankee/wealty classes.

South Carolina's Declaration of Secession plainly say the cause was slavery.

229 posted on 12/06/2001 4:14:18 PM PST by #3Fan
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To: Non-Sequitur
i believe, presuming the figure is about correct, that the fugitive slave laws WERE "making a mountain out of a molehill".

SURPRISE, SURPRISE, the rich/powerful/politically potent getting SPECIAL FAVORS by government! imagine that! (sarcasm)

230 posted on 12/07/2001 9:02:58 AM PST by stand watie
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To: #3Fan
i ask yet AGAIN, are you dimwitted enough to really believe the tripe/nonsense/propaganda/bunk, that you post??
231 posted on 12/07/2001 9:05:36 AM PST by stand watie
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To: #3Fan
why did the yeoman farmers/poor/free blacks/indians of the CSA militaryfight against the damnyankees?

just one reason = THEY WANTED LIBERTY, from the filth that came down from the north.

i am reminded of the words of a slave captured after shooting at several damnyankee soldiers. when asked why he as a slave was shooting at the union army, he said "because you bastards are still down here". sums up in a few words why most southrons fought to the bitter end.

232 posted on 12/07/2001 9:11:06 AM PST by stand watie
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To: stand watie
i ask yet AGAIN, are you dimwitted enough to really believe the tripe/nonsense/propaganda/bunk, that you post??

Are you still calling the South Carolinians liars when they delared slavery was the reason for secession?

233 posted on 12/09/2001 4:15:30 AM PST by #3Fan
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To: stand watie
why did the yeoman farmers/poor/free blacks/indians of the CSA militaryfight against the damnyankees?

Because Southerners would shoot them themselves if they didn't.

just one reason = THEY WANTED LIBERTY, from the filth that came down from the north.

They didn't want their slavemasters to shoot them.

i am reminded of the words of a slave captured after shooting at several damnyankee soldiers. when asked why he as a slave was shooting at the union army, he said "because you bastards are still down here". sums up in a few words why most southrons fought to the bitter end.

LOL Sounds like a made-up story.

234 posted on 12/09/2001 4:17:47 AM PST by #3Fan
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To: #3Fan
Why should Stande Watie believe you and me? Let the words of Alexander Stephens, vice president of the confederacy speak for themselves:

"But not to be tedious in enumerating the numerous changes for the better, allow me to allude to one other -- though last, not least. The new constitution has put at rest, forever, all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institution -- African slavery as it exists amongst us -- the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution. Jefferson in his forecast, had anticipated this, as the "rock upon which the old Union would split." He was right. What was conjecture with him, is now a realized fact. But whether he fully comprehended the great truth upon which that rock stood and stands, may be doubted. The prevailing ideas entertained by him and most of the leading statesmen at the time of the formation of the old constitution, were that the enslavement of the African was in violation of the laws of nature; that it was wrong in principle, socially, morally, and politically. It was an evil they knew not well how to deal with, but the general opinion of the men of that day was that, somehow or other in the order of Providence, the institution would be evanescent and pass away. This idea, though not incorporated in the constitution, was the prevailing idea at that time. The constitution, it is true, secured every essential guarantee to the institution while it should last, and hence no argument can be justly urged against the constitutional guarantees thus secured, because of the common sentiment of the day. Those ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of races. This was an error. It was a sandy foundation, and the government built upon it fell when the "storm came and the wind blew."

Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests upon the great truth, that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery -- subordination to the superior race -- is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth."

But of course this is only more "tripe/nonsense/propaganda/bunk"

235 posted on 12/09/2001 4:29:21 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: #3Fan
if it is a "made up story" the the damnyankees lied about it-it's right there in the official report of the investigating officer and has been quoted in MANY books.

sorry, you LOSE!

236 posted on 12/09/2001 10:36:01 AM PST by stand watie
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To: Non-Sequitur
suggesting that the opinion of one man, even the UN-ELECTED VP of the nation speaks for everyone/the majority/anyone but himself is LUNACY!

frankly, i doubt that any of the aristocracy would have been elected, had the CSA won her war for independence. even Jeff Davis was popular in HIS OLD AGE- not during the WBTS.

237 posted on 12/09/2001 10:39:11 AM PST by stand watie
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To: stand watie
But he was elected. The Davis/Stephens ticket finally submitted to an election about a year after they were appointed and to the best of my knowledge they won. If Stephens did not reflect the feelings of the majority of the southerners - and I'm not prepared to conceed that without some evidence - he surely reflected the views of the southern leadership which began the rebellion. These were the men that your ancestors fought for. Their cause would have been your ancestor's cause, too.
238 posted on 12/09/2001 11:24:38 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
MY ancestor fought MOSTLY for the LIBERTY of the Cherokee Nation;it was also then well-understood by all the allied tribes that Indian Liberty depended on the CSA's winning the war against the filth that came down from the north.

can you document that there was an election in 1862?

for dixie,sw

239 posted on 12/10/2001 9:57:43 AM PST by stand watie
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To: stand watie
Certainly. Here is a link detailing the November 6, 1861 election. Davis ran unopposed.
240 posted on 12/10/2001 10:18:59 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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