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Taliban Makes Dash Towards Kabul while Bargaining Surrender
World Net Daily and Debka ^ | November 20, 2001 | Terrorism Security Newsletter

Posted on 11/20/2001 10:26:43 AM PST by codebreaker

Negoations for the evacuation of Taliban-al-Qaeda forces from their last Afghan strongholds of Konduz and Kandahar are shuffling forward sluggishly.

Tuesday morning November 20, the United States paused in its massive bombardment to give the Konduz negotiators a chance to wind up three days of palaver in an abandoned airstrip in a no-man's zone within range of both battling sides.

Two more sessions were scheduled for Tuesday, November 20, for the purpose of arranging a peaceful withdrawal of the defending force to the 25,000 ft. high Hindu Kush mountains, when the Konduz defenders broke the stalemate.

To show they still have options and are far form encircled, al Qaeda troops made a dash Tuesday for Khanabad are are threatening Taleqon on the road to Kabul.

This might even be the opening shot in a Taliban counter-offensive against the capital.


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Just starting boming and wipe them clean, they don't want to surrender if they are marching towads Kabul.

Even if it is DEBKA the Talian are now shooting the commanders who want to surrender-just drop the Daisy Cutters and be done with it, 30 thousand less terrorists in the world.

1 posted on 11/20/2001 10:26:43 AM PST by codebreaker
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To: codebreaker
A move like this means no mercy later. It is time to completely wipe these people off the face of the earth.
2 posted on 11/20/2001 10:31:51 AM PST by RetiredArmy
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To: codebreaker
how many fighters did the tabilan have? AFGAN WAR WIRES..CLICK

3 posted on 11/20/2001 10:32:10 AM PST by newsperson999
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To: codebreaker
This is total bull.

If these guys leave the inhabited area of Kunduz, they'll be mince-meat within 30 miles of departure.

They know it too. Counteroffensive? Not likely.

4 posted on 11/20/2001 10:32:25 AM PST by Mariner
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To: RetiredArmy
Will we have to deal with the same kind of morons when we help the Turks invade Iraq?

First the Taliban shoots the commanders that want to surrender then while surrounded they start marching towards occupied Kabul...

5 posted on 11/20/2001 10:34:12 AM PST by codebreaker
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To: Mariner
Please file anything from Debka as cartoons/humor.

Even a kid knows that the Taliban can't break their position without (even more) serious risk to life and limb than they now face.

6 posted on 11/20/2001 10:34:30 AM PST by CT
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To: RetiredArmy
They're just yanking our chain. DEBKA hasn't been right about anything ever - it's not a real news source, just a creative Israeli teenager with a website.
7 posted on 11/20/2001 10:34:31 AM PST by wideawake
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To: codebreaker
And the Taliban will do WHAT if they attempt to retake Kabul?

Make the men regrow their beards? Force the women to don burkas once more? Shoot every child flying a kite or listening to a portable radio? Doesn't leave much time to prosecute a military struggle. And there is the logistics of staying resupplied. The Northern Alliance has taken custody of, or blown up, most of the ammo dumps and fuel supplies abandoned by the Taliban and al-Qaeda when they fled.

8 posted on 11/20/2001 10:35:18 AM PST by alloysteel
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To: codebreaker
Kill'm now or kill'm later
9 posted on 11/20/2001 10:35:40 AM PST by Zathras
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To: codebreaker
More Defectors Flee Taliban Side

TALOQAN, Afghanistan, Nov 20, 2001 (AP Online via COMTEX) -- Machine-gun fire zeroing in behind them, Mohammed Azim and his desperate comrades sped through Taliban front lines in a jeep with its lights off, crashing down mountain roads, rushing past a mined no-man's-land in the dark of night.

More gunshots - these fired in jubilation - and glad cries of welcome greeted them when they reached the other side.

Flinging his black-and-white turban to the dirt, Azim pressed newfound anti-Taliban alliance comrades to his chest. Like hundreds of other defectors from the besieged Taliban-held city of Kunduz in recent days, Azim was a Taliban no more.

"We came to help fight the international terrorists. As long as the Taliban are in Kunduz, I will fight," the baby-faced 30-year-old, now in the brown felt turban of the northern alliance, declared Tuesday.

He stood shoulder-to-shoulder with scores of new defectors in the shabby courtyard of the alliance's military headquarters at Taloqan, about 40 miles from Kunduz.

They were sleeping and eating in the same quarters with their former enemies. Soon, they would go to join the assault on the city that they had been fighting to defend, they said.

Alliance Gen. Mohammed Daoud claimed Tuesday that thousands of Taliban have defected from Kunduz in recent days, and defectors' own accounts indicate at least hundreds have fled since Sunday.

Uncounted thousands more civilians from Kunduz are streaming out in flight from U.S. bombs. The exodus is emptying the city around the hard-core Taliban and foreign fighters holding it.

Dedicated Taliban and thousands of foreign Islamic militants - including Arabs, Uzbeks, Pakistanis, Chechens, Chinese and Myanmarese - are holed up in the city after being routed from positions across northern Afghanistan. They include 1,000 members of Osama bin Laden's al-Qaida network, Daoud said.

By all accounts, the foreigners at Kunduz are adamant against surrender - either theirs, or of the Afghan Taliban fighting with them.

"They're afraid that if we surrender the northern alliance will kill them," said Jamal Khan, 27, a defector who came over on Sunday night.

"They say, 'We will fight to our last drop of blood," Azim said.

Foreign militants in recent days have gunned down 470 Taliban - commanders and fighters - who tried to surrender, Daoud said.

Communicating across front lines over two-way radios, Afghan Taliban tell the alliance that the foreign fighters are spying on those they suspect of wanting to switch sides, front-line commander Fazel Jan said Tuesday.

Jan was waiting at the front-line pass east of Kunduz for a group of 200 more defectors who had radioed they were coming over - tonight, or tomorrow, Jan wasn't sure.

"They say that if they come over by one, or two, or five, or 10, that the Arabs will capture and kill them," he said. "So they come over in big groups, so the Arabs can't fight them."

Defectors arriving in Taloqan cite fear of U.S. bombs and anger at Arabs controlling them on the front lines and in the city as driving their defection.

The Taliban recruited many of them from this region - and the thought of now opening fire on their friends and family is especially unbearable to them.

"I came because it's safe, and because now I'm with my people," said Abdullah Baghalan. He escaped across Taliban lines before dawn Tuesday, leading a convoy of a jeep and six pickup trucks.

In the alliance's seedy military headquarters, smiling defectors exclaimed, kissed and hugged friends not seen since war separated them months or years ago.

Not all seemed to have abandoned the Taliban side entirely - at least not in heart and mind.

"I joined the Taliban with pleasure," said one defect, still wearing his black-and-white turban, rejecting the claim of many that they had been forced into Taliban ranks.

Asked if he still believed in the Taliban cause, he said, "I still believe in Islam." Unable to bring himself to answer further among the grinning, gaping northern alliance fighters hanging onto his every word, the northern alliance's newest recruit broke away into the crowd.

10 posted on 11/20/2001 10:38:47 AM PST by Tai_Chung
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To: alloysteel
I think the Tali-bums will try and fight it out from the south.
11 posted on 11/20/2001 10:38:51 AM PST by codebreaker
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To: codebreaker
I was going to blame Debka for a misleading title but I see it was your work instead.
12 posted on 11/20/2001 10:40:59 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: codebreaker
Bin Laden must be there.
13 posted on 11/20/2001 10:49:17 AM PST by VRWC_minion
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To: codebreaker
Sounds like Omar forgot (or couldn't) tell his boys up north that Kabul has been taken by the Northern Alliance.
14 posted on 11/20/2001 10:54:12 AM PST by TADSLOS
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To: dirtboy
Did you catch this quote from the full DEBKA article?

DEBKAfile’s military sources report that the most professional and efficient military force in the Afghan capital at the moment is the Russian special forces, who began arriving lat last week. By Tuesday morning, November 20, their number had expanded to 1200 Russian commandoes in Kabul, one battalion each of Spetsnaz troops attached to the Russian General Command and the 201st Mechanized Rifle. Two more battalions are due by the end of the week, one for Kabul, and one for Bagram Air base, doubling Russian strength in the Afghan capital to 1200. They will serve alongside elements of US Special Forces units and 75 British commandoes. By the end of this week, Russian strength in and around Kabul will rise to 6,400 soldiers, roughly the same number as the British commandos, whose dispatch to Afghanistan has been called off at the insistence of Northern Alliance chiefs.

No mention of the 15,000 Chinese troops DEBKA reported earlier, though....

15 posted on 11/20/2001 10:54:40 AM PST by Dog Gone
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To: alloysteel
And the Taliban will do WHAT if they attempt to retake Kabul? Make the men regrow their beards? Force the women to don burkas once more? Shoot every child flying a kite or listening to a portable radio?

All good ideas. They will probably want to reopen those bioweapons labs too.

16 posted on 11/20/2001 10:57:13 AM PST by ffrancone
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To: codebreaker
Debka and WorldNutDaily - Kooks, philistines and liars...
17 posted on 11/20/2001 10:57:48 AM PST by Dr. Luv
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To: Dog Gone
By the end of this week, Russian strength in and around Kabul will rise to 6,400 soldiers, roughly the same number as the British commandos, whose dispatch to Afghanistan has been called off at the insistence of Northern Alliance chiefs.

Interesting that Debka is privy to Russian military plans. It's also interesting that we have seen no mention of this from other press outlets.

18 posted on 11/20/2001 11:03:06 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: Dog Gone
Can anyone figure out why DEBKA posts this krep? They fool no one.
19 posted on 11/20/2001 11:03:36 AM PST by MindBender26
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To: Dr. Luv
DEBKAfile = Two shmucks with a Commodore 64, and way too much time on their hands.
20 posted on 11/20/2001 11:03:56 AM PST by Yankee
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