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I wasn't planning to see "Harry Potter" but I am looking forward to reading a Chick Tract Comix story about Harry Potter. Hmmmm.....I wonder what Jack Chick's view of "Lord Of The Rings" will be? Now that movie I definitely plan to see. However I would love to see the Chick Tract take on that movie as well.
1 posted on 11/19/2001 3:13:11 PM PST by PJ-Comix (pj@pjcomix.com)
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Ah, Jack Chick. One of the greats has now weighed in on this serious matter. Now I can rest easy.
2 posted on 11/19/2001 3:17:53 PM PST by jrherreid
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To: PJ-Comix
What did they say about "Mary Poppins"???
3 posted on 11/19/2001 3:18:07 PM PST by stumpy
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ping (or should it be "zing"?)
4 posted on 11/19/2001 3:18:46 PM PST by jrherreid
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WWBBS - What Would Bobby Buchette Say? "Harry Potter is not the debil momma!"
5 posted on 11/19/2001 3:19:33 PM PST by pistola
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Knew there was a reason I like Harry Potter! Anyone or anything that gets on the wrong side of Jack Chick is probably OK.
6 posted on 11/19/2001 3:21:00 PM PST by JenB
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"I want to go to wizard school and learn magic. I'd like to learn to use a wand to cast spells." Dylan, age 10.

The horror... When I was a kid, I wanted to learn spells even though I hadn't read Potter. After reading Tolkien, I got myself a staff like Gandalf's and pretented to zap folks (they were orcs, naturally) with fire. I also thought that by peering through a colored marble I could see a magical world beyond our own. Not to mention my longing for a time machine...

--former kid

8 posted on 11/19/2001 3:22:38 PM PST by jrherreid
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Ping! enjoy...
10 posted on 11/19/2001 3:24:14 PM PST by .38sw
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Harry Potter materials have become much more than a hand full of children's fantasy books. Warner Brothers, Coca Cola, Minutemaid, and Mattel have used the Potter materials to launch games, puzzles, toys, backpacks, and every possible merchandizing product

All the more reason to watch Bugs Bunny, chug Coke, guzzle MinuteMaid orange juice and buy Barbies, IMHO.

13 posted on 11/19/2001 3:27:53 PM PST by JediGirl
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Don't forget Jack's first article on the subject:

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Here Comes Harry

Issue Date: March/April 2001

How Strange! Thousands of children lined up outside bookstores waiting for them to open so they can buy a book? In the children's world awash with television, internet and video games, how can a mere book create such a demand? It seems like magic.

It is! The hero of the book is Harry Potter, wizard in training. The book is the 4th in the Harry Potter series claimed by some Christian leaders to be innocent fictional fantasy. Others, such as ex-witch William Schnoebelen, see them as training manuals for a new generation of sorcerers.

Readers of the Harry Potter books are "...immersing themselves in the magic world-view that does not fit with the Bible," Schnoebelen points out. The plot is different than good Christian fiction where the good and Godly win out over evil. "The Harry Potter books, in common with most horror and fantasy material, present a godless universe, one in which the most powerful wizard wins," says Schnoebelen.

"Our youth are awash in a culture that promotes evil, occultism, lust and power for its own sake. The magic world-view is all around them. It is promoted in Pokemon, in television, movies and music. More critical, it is often promoted in classrooms."

Yes, many teachers are ignoring the dark side of the Potter books and using them in class simply because it promotes an interest in reading. But John Andrew Murray writes on a Focus On The Family web site for teachers: "It is the world of witchcraft found in Harry Potter that is the greatest threat of all. This world...is presenting occult practices in a way that is attractive and fun." This "desensitization to witchcraft" can only "lead to serious spiritual consequences in the future."

The author, J. K. Rowling, claims that the book series will end after the 7th book to be released in 2003. In the meantime, movie rights have been sold to Warner Brothers who hopes to make billions of dollars promoting the Harry Potter craze. Soon we will see cartoon spin-offs, theme-park rides and interactive games.

So Harry Potter, born wizard, raised by dull, useless, boring, relatives (who resemble fundamentalist Christians) attends an exciting school for wizards where he learns that power is the ultimate moral choice, irrespective of good or evil. In the process he experiences episodes of astral projection, levitation, blood sacrifices, animal sacrifices and a baby boiled in a cauldron.

He deals with werewolves and vampires, and learns to cast spells, lie, cheat on homework, and that death is just the "next great adventure."

For Bible believers who are admonished to avoid even the "appearance of evil" the Harry Potter craze is just another wave in the ocean of evil washing over our land. Soul winners must use it as another opportunity to stand against Satan's strategy and witness to Biblical truth.

14 posted on 11/19/2001 3:30:43 PM PST by general_re
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"I want to go to White House and do magic. I'd like to learn to use my 'wand' to cast spells." Billy, age 10.

"If I could go to Wellsley, I might be able to do spells and potions and fly a broomstick." Hillary, age 12.

"It would be great to be an Attorney General because you could control situations and things like citizens." Janet, age 11.

"I'd like to go to wizard school and learn magic and put spells on people. I'd make up an ugly spell and then it's pay-back time." Donna S., age 9.

"I feel like I'm inside Billy's world. If I went to White House I'd study everything: spells, counterspells, and defense against the dark arts." Monica, age 10.

"I liked it when the bad guys killed Vince." George S., age 13.

"The Clinton's are very clever. I couldn't put them down. When I was scared I made myself believe that they were supposed to be funny so I wasn't so scared." Maureen D. age 11.

Sorry guys, this was just too easy.

17 posted on 11/19/2001 3:31:30 PM PST by Slyfox
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Prodigy of, "Are you a Good Witch or a Bad Witch" chiming in...

My goodness--what a fabulous opportunity for parents to--scary thought--actually talk with children about the difference between fantasy/dreams and reality--and to remind the children that they (the parents) are there to protect them. I suppose the folks opposed to Harry Potter fantasy are also opposed to Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny. Leaves nothing to the imagination, literally.

18 posted on 11/19/2001 3:32:24 PM PST by NautiNurse
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It is fun when children "make believe" that fantasy is reality.

It is truly sad to see an adult believe fantasy IS reality.

19 posted on 11/19/2001 3:32:44 PM PST by longshadow
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Wicca does not have anything to do with Satan. If Muslims and Christians were as laid back and non-threating as Wicca the WTC would still be standing. Christians and Muslims have no problem attacking anothers faith, but they can not stand any sort of put down.
20 posted on 11/19/2001 3:32:50 PM PST by vladog
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RadicalRik: I want to go to God's Holy Spirit school and learn how to really kick Satan's clymer up into his mouth to stop him from speaking into children's ears "that evil is good".

"J.K. Rowling confirms as the series progresses that more characters will die to emphasize the dastardly nature of evil. She says that only after careful consideration did she decide to include so many deaths to accentuate the deepening conflict between good and evil forces and the resulting victimization of innocents."
I heard in an interview that as the books progress to number 7, there will be more darkness, evil and even sexual secenarios. Well, it's "only natural" the kids are growing up and "hormones will be hormones & libidos will be libidos". Will there be any unwanted pregnancies that will be "spelled" away? Stay tuned.

22 posted on 11/19/2001 3:38:45 PM PST by RadicalRik
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I can't say that I have a clue as to who Chick is. I can say that I have been the "hop" mom and I have read the books. Here is my take on the books and the movie ( I am speaking as a mom deciding what is best for MY kids and MY kids only ):

I was disturbed. I have heard the "what about Snow White and the Wiz of Oz" arguments and they don't hold water. The older movies were fairy tales. The stories were not as "modern" as the Potter series are. I have told my children fairy tales as I am sure many of us have but I have always told them the truth about the tales, that they are not true and that they are make believe. That is what made them fun. The movies of these tales follow the traditional fairy tale patterns with "Once upon a time" beginnings and "Happily ever after" endings. Potter doesn't.

The HP stories play upon reality more than they do fiction. They are targeted to reach kids on a level that is all too real to them. Real situations are used. Real problems are used ( peer pressure, not liking a teacher, homework, or whathave you ).

I know that kids are smart and I am not underestimating their intelligence and their abilities to sort fact from fiction. I wasn't on the "Pokemon is evil" bandwagon nor anything before it. However, I was disturbed at Tolken's ability to integrate reality with fantasy on such a level. Tom Sawyer and Huck Finn tales were about children who lied, stole and so forth but there was a "normalcy" to them. They more aptly did justice to "boys will be boys" rather than mystifying juvenile behavior.

Whether a child is 5 or 15 there remains the ability to impress them with examples found in stories and movies. How many of us can say that when we were younger we read a certain book or saw a certain movie that left a lasting impression on us or, in some cases, that changed our lives, our way of thingking or believing?

I went into this Potter stuff agreeing to be completely objectional. I came out of it deciding that it was not for MY kids. I try to be very discerning over what I allow into my home and what I allow my kids to be part of. Not because I am a religious fanatic but because I feel that, regardless of what experts may say, my children are impressionable and "real" sorcery isn't something that I wish for them to become impressed with.

23 posted on 11/19/2001 3:39:49 PM PST by PleaseNoMore
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I can't say that I have a clue as to who Chick is. I can say that I have been the "hip" mom and I have read the books. Here is my take on the books and the movie ( I am speaking as a mom deciding what is best for MY kids and MY kids only ):

I was disturbed. I have heard the "what about Snow White and the Wiz of Oz" arguments and they don't hold water. The older movies were fairy tales. The stories were not as "modern" as the Potter series are. I have told my children fairy tales as I am sure many of us have but I have always told them the truth about the tales, that they are not true and that they are make believe. That is what made them fun. The movies of these tales follow the traditional fairy tale patterns with "Once upon a time" beginnings and "Happily ever after" endings. Potter doesn't.

The HP stories play upon reality more than they do fiction. They are targeted to reach kids on a level that is all too real to them. Real situations are used. Real problems are used ( peer pressure, not liking a teacher, homework, or whathave you ).

I know that kids are smart and I am not underestimating their intelligence and their abilities to sort fact from fiction. I wasn't on the "Pokemon is evil" bandwagon nor anything before it. However, I was disturbed at Tolken's ability to integrate reality with fantasy on such a level. Tom Sawyer and Huck Finn tales were about children who lied, stole and so forth but there was a "normalcy" to them. They more aptly did justice to "boys will be boys" rather than mystifying juvenile behavior.

Whether a child is 5 or 15 there remains the ability to impress them with examples found in stories and movies. How many of us can say that when we were younger we read a certain book or saw a certain movie that left a lasting impression on us or, in some cases, that changed our lives, our way of thingking or believing?

I went into this Potter stuff agreeing to be completely objectional. I came out of it deciding that it was not for MY kids. I try to be very discerning over what I allow into my home and what I allow my kids to be part of. Not because I am a religious fanatic but because I feel that, regardless of what experts may say, my children are impressionable and "real" sorcery isn't something that I wish for them to become impressed with.

24 posted on 11/19/2001 3:40:19 PM PST by PleaseNoMore
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Wasn't Harry Potter the Colonel on M.A.S.H.??? :-)
27 posted on 11/19/2001 3:41:24 PM PST by E=MC<sup>2</sup>
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If one assumes that Harry Potter and other childrens' stories that include wizardry and magic are evil and should be banned, then we would have to throw out many of the best childrens' fantasies of the ages. At least Harry Potter promotes loyalty, friendship, bravery and truth, and emphasizes the worth of people who are different or disadvantaged. I saw the Harry Potter movie over the weekend and I liked it. I also read the book. I suppose that I will be doubly damned next month when I go to the Lord of the Rings movie. Sheesh!
29 posted on 11/19/2001 3:44:24 PM PST by Sender
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Since Jack Chick has his undies all in a bunch about Harry Potter, there's no way anything could be wrong with kids reading it!
31 posted on 11/19/2001 3:45:23 PM PST by LuvItOrLeaveIt
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Saw "Harry Potter" last Friday; the best thing about it was the trailers for "The Fellowship of the Ring" and "Star Wars: Attack of the Clones" which showed beforehand.
32 posted on 11/19/2001 3:46:45 PM PST by Rocko
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