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Pro-Gun Experts Prove Handguns Are Ineffective Self-Defense Tools(VPC BS ALERT)
VPC - ^ | November 19 | Naomi Seligman

Posted on 11/19/2001 12:49:32 PM PST by Dan from Michigan

Pro-Gun Experts Prove Handguns Are Ineffective Self-Defense Tools, New VPC Study Reveals

WASHINGTON, DC—In response to the reported spike in handgun sales since the September 11th attacks, the Violence Policy Center (VPC) today released Unintended Consequences: Pro-Handgun Experts Prove That Handguns Are a Dangerous Choice For Self-Defense. The 90-page study demonstrates through the writings of pro-gun experts the ineffectiveness and dangers of handguns as alleged self-defense tools.

"While the gun industry has greedily hawked its wares in the aftermath of the September 11th tragedy, they have worked even harder to keep hidden from the American public a secret they readily share among themselves—handguns pose grave dangers to their owners and families," states Tom Diaz, author of Unintended Consequences and VPC Senior Policy Analyst. "This study is comprised substantially of writings from pro-gun experts who readily admit handguns are basically impossible to use effectively in self-defense."

For example, Massad Ayoob, a legendary firearms instructor and respected pro-gun author has cautioned, "The uninitiated tend to make two kinds of mistakes with firearms: they either use guns when they shouldn't, or do not use them properly in the rare circumstances when they should." Ayoob has pointed out that, "The average American has more misconceptions about lethal force in the home than in any other self-defense situation. He not only has little understanding of his legal position under these circumstances; he has no idea of how to conduct himself if, by infinitesimal chance, the day comes when his home actually is turned into a battleground he must defend against armed criminals."

In fact, in 1998, for every time that a civilian used a handgun to kill in self-defense, 51 people lost their lives in handgun homicides alone. Yet, there have been an increasing number of news reports that women are a prime target for the gun industry as first-time handgun buyers. Left out of those reports is the fact that in 1999 for every one time a woman used a handgun to kill in self-defense, 120 women were murdered with handguns.

Handguns in the real world—as opposed to the industry's fantasy world of virtuous defensive gun use—make people who own them much less safe. The study reveals that according to leading pro-gun experts the overwhelming majority of people who own handguns:

are ignorant of—or ignore—basic handgun safety rules;

do not have the necessary handgun combat marksmanship skills to effectively defend themselves without harming innocent others; and,

are not prepared for the extreme physiological and psychological effects that the experts, many of whom have on-the-street law enforcement experience with firearms, agree inevitably occur in an armed life-or-death confrontation (the only situation in which lethal force is justified in self-defense).


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To: CCWoody
I don't recall during the years when sky marshalls were being used by airlines, of a single instance where a plane was taken hostage with a marshall on it.

El Al and the Israeli government do a damned good job of protecting their planes and passengers, they do not have armed passengers on board.

181 posted on 11/20/2001 9:19:58 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Aric2000
"...a criminal, would NOT knowingly walk into a situation where a victim would be armed..."

For fear of their lives? I don't think that the guy whose mission was to crash an airplane into a building was really concerned with his own survival.

182 posted on 11/20/2001 9:22:27 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Dan from Michigan
In fact, in 1998, (A) for every time that a civilian used a handgun to kill in self-defense, (B) 51 people lost their lives in handgun homicides alone.

Somebody please tell me what (A) has to do with (B). How are the two related? If (A) had not occurred, would (B) have been 52 people?

183 posted on 11/20/2001 9:32:46 AM PST by JoeGar
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To: Pharmboy
My pleasure. Thank you for the comment on the handle.
184 posted on 11/20/2001 9:35:53 AM PST by miss print
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Well, if he was shot dead before he got a chance to crash the plane, then he would think twice about boarding that aircraft. If he's dead, he cannot fulfill his mission.

And it is the GUNOWNERS responsiblity to get the proper training, not the governments job to make him get it.

Owning a firearm and carrying it are rights, and therefore you are allowed to own one whether you are trained or not.
185 posted on 11/20/2001 9:36:02 AM PST by Aric2000
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To: Don Myers
My strongly held beliefs are based in fact. Their's are based in a bed of lies. Interpretations are thing, but if you make numbers up out of thin air, that's most definitely a lie.
186 posted on 11/20/2001 9:49:14 AM PST by technochick99
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To: Don Myers
Before I looked into the arguments on both sides, I was neutral, leaning anti... After I evaluated the reasoning and numbers (paying no mind to the arguments about the Founding Fathers), I became very pro-gun. Most of the people I have encountered who are anti (including friends of mine) have done no such comparing of the facts. Heck - most of the reporters I have spoken with haven't either. I can understand their emotional reasons for thinking what they do, but that doesn't change the fact that what they advocate is based on misinformation. If you've ever even asked an anti for backup to what they're saying, they don't have it.... Not all opinions are created equal.
187 posted on 11/20/2001 9:54:17 AM PST by technochick99
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To: Luis Gonzalez
"For fear of their lives? I don't think that the guy whose mission was to crash an airplane into a building was really concerned with his own survival."

15-Love, Gonzales.

188 posted on 11/20/2001 10:16:26 AM PST by Landru
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To: technochick99
"Not all opinions are created equal."

They appeal solely to emotion, facts have no bearing on their argument.

189 posted on 11/20/2001 10:24:46 AM PST by Don Myers
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To: Luis Gonzalez
"I don't think that you will doubt me when I say that at least a dozen morons out of that 300 million, will pull their guns on an airplane, drunk or otherwise."

LG, It's amazing how many "morons" suddenly develope smarts when they know that others are also armed and just might shoot their {the "morons"} asses off. Peace and love, George.

190 posted on 11/20/2001 10:28:18 AM PST by George Frm Br00klyn Park
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To: D Joyce
No, I didn't. I noticed you responded to his same argument, so I copied you.
191 posted on 11/20/2001 11:15:23 AM PST by CCWoody
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To: George Frm Br00klyn Park
George, these "morons" hold up pawn shops, liquor stores...the true morons don't care whether there are guns there or not.

Paz y amor

Luis

192 posted on 11/20/2001 11:33:26 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Aric2000
"Well, if he was shot dead before he got a chance to crash the plane..."

That's a big if my friend.

Let me pose a rhetorical for you.

Some hoods and thugs are operating a crack house in the bad part of town, there are a bunch of them in the house, collecting $$$ and keeping an eye on the junkies, these hoods and thugs are all armed, they do not get high, and they have no fear of using their weapons.

A specially trained unit of the ATF has been called in to take these idiots out, they rush the crack house, and catch the thugs and hoods off-guard. Who dies in the gun battle?

194 posted on 11/20/2001 12:12:48 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Mercuria
"This study is comprised substantially of writings from pro-gun experts who readily admit handguns are basically impossible to use effectively in self-defense."

So let's take them away from LEO's and the Military if they are so worthless!.....and speaking of worthless:Paging Sarah Brady!, Sarah Brady, please....OH never mind.

195 posted on 11/20/2001 12:32:55 PM PST by gc4nra
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To: Dan from Michigan
The average American has more misconceptions about lethal force in the home

So I'm not supposed to be able to defend my home and family because some other people are idiots?

196 posted on 11/20/2001 12:38:42 PM PST by Age of Reason
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To: Swordmaker
Handguns in the real world—as opposed to the industry's fantasy world of virtuous defensive gun use—make people who own them much less safe.

Too bad American pioneers were not smart enough to know that it would have been safer to stand there and let the indians shoot them full of arrows.

197 posted on 11/20/2001 12:40:33 PM PST by Age of Reason
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To: gc4nra
"Paging Sarah Brady!, Sarah Brady, please..."

I think it was you who called me Sarah on the last pulled thread, it went completely over my head. I figured out what you meant the next day and laughed at the comment and at myself for being so dense, that was a spot of humor in an otherwise crazy thread.

I own guns, wouldn't give them up for the world, and I believe that it is important that the Second is protected from the Sarah Bradys of this world, well-meaning as she may be, she is misguided. I just happen to believe that under the present circumstances, and in light of the recent events, trained, alert professionals (sky marshalls) would be a better deterrent than arming everyone.

These terrorists are not crazies trying to make a name for themselves, they are highly trained commandos, probably very capable of handling armed citizenry with ease, and deadly accuracy.

I didn't have to demonstrate proficiency to buy my guns, just needed proof of identity to verify my credit card.

198 posted on 11/20/2001 12:47:53 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Luis Gonzalez
BTW, it might be good for you to review the studies by Lott on public mass shootings in areas where firearms are easily available. The short of it is that even suiciders seem to prefer to actually accomplish something rather than just getting gunned down to no effect.
199 posted on 11/20/2001 1:06:35 PM PST by lepton
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To: Aric2000
No, I say let all persons with a CWP, carry ANYWHERE, and that includes aircraft!!!

I think that CW carry on aircraft should require appropriate ammo, and about 8 hours of training.

200 posted on 11/20/2001 1:08:29 PM PST by lepton
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