A Coup against the American Constitution

KPFA Radio 94.1 FM ^ | November 14, 2001 | Professor Francis A. Boyle

[tberry]

Yes, But It's Our Star Chamber

[FITZ]

If Clinton would have done something about the Arabs who were coming over here to kill Americans after the 1993 attack on the WTC, 7000 Americans would still be alive. The Arabs don't have to come and live in the US, they have their own countries and they can head back.

[Graewoulf]

For most of the last century the liberals have made Swiss Cheese of our Beloved U. S. Constitution with their "living document" interpretation.

Now is the time to plug up some of those lib holes, for example, the right to a speedy trial.

Thank you, President Bush for this first small step toward rejection of the libs ruinous reign over us.

[mrsmith]

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" The President shall be commander in chief of the Army and Navy of the United States"

The Constitution means what it says- not whatever some idiot desires.

[jerod]

Exactly!

There are those who you can trust, and then there are those who you can't. I trust George Bush and I give him credit for the conditions he placed on this order.

[Whilom]

I've never heard of this Boyle, but Pacifica is a nest of far left-wing activists who lecture us about how Slick Willie "saved the Constitution" but GWB is destroying it by defending us against the terrorists.

[Protect the Bill of Rights]

As fearful as I am about the exploitation of the Patriot Act, I am as supportive of the idea of Military Tribunals. For once, something that makes sense...separating citizens from non-citizens. Citizens of the United States have nothing to fear.

If I am not mistaken, the Military Tribunal applies to terrorists in our undeclared war on terrorism. Whereas the Patriot Act can target anyone of us based on nothing more than suspicion.

[Protect the Bill of Rights]

Perhaps DC would be wise to remove all ambiguity and DECLARE WAR. Just because AL Queda & other terrorist networks do not have borders, it does not mean we cannot wage war against them.

[Colt .45]

Since when does the Geneva Convention apply to a non-conventional war? These f**kers are war criminals which they clearly declared they were on September 11th. They are NOT citizens of the United States, therefore the rights afforded under the Constitution do not apply!

These bleeding heart liberals piss me off!

[Whilom]

The U.S. is not required to demonstrate compliance with the ICCPR. Rather, the UN Human Rights Committee, as monitor, is required to declare the U.S. in non-compliance and demonstrate why. That has not been done. Why? Because once the UN takes the part of international terrorists, the ICCPR is not the only thing that will fall by the wayside.

[facedown]

LibertyGal member since November 19th, 2001

[FITZ]

I'm sure the Republicans also did make mistakes, but things went too far, the Arabs continued to plan more Jihads after 1993, now we have thousands of them here who intend to harm innocent Americans. We only need to look at places like Nigeria, Sudan, and Indonesia to see what is in store for us if nothing is done. They will be all too glad to do away with the Constitution when they decide we're ready for Sharia. Arabs living in the US do not deserve the same protections US citizens do. If they don't like things, they have their own countries to return to.

[Austin Willard Wright]

All of this nonsense of about "rights." How quaint!

[NY.SS-Bar9]

While I take issue with some of the "emergency" provisions, I have no problem dealing with non-citizens in this manner.

Why should we extend the protection of our constitution to foreign nationals anyway? What is the point of becoming a citizen if you get all the benefits anyway?

[Jeff Head]

I am as probably as strident a pro-constitutionalist and indivdual committed to our Constitutional Resotration as anyone on this board.

In times past, Jim has pulled a number of my threads because they were viewed as to "direct" in terms of what we need to do to ultimately restore our Constitution.

Having said that, I believe the following:

1. The so called "Patriot Act" is unconstitutional on its face and should be repealed. Constitution and liberty loving Americans should all be writing their representatives, their eidtors and public officials voicing outrage at this legislation and demanding its repeal, or voting the people out who approved it in favor of those who will repeal it.
2. The recent announcement by Ashcroft regarding monitoring priveleged discussion between lawyers and their clients in as much as it refers to US citizens is something I veiw similarly to number one.
3. The Executive Order calling for military tribunals for non-citizens involvd in terorist activities is, IMHO, a called for and prudent action in times of war. These people are spies and sabotuers (sp) and need to be dealt with swiftly and harshly. Since it clearly calls for these measures to be instituted against froeign aliens only, I will support it.

That's my read. We are at war. There will be sacrifices and harsh measures called for. The sacrifice of our unalienable rights as US citizens and of our constituin cannot be one of these, or the enemy wins. We have enemies foreign and domestic who are dedicated to the same thing, the destruction of our liberties. We cannot tolerate either.

At the same time, we must take necessary measure to fight the enemies who have infiltrated our society and have shown themselves willing and capable of killing our citizens. I believe the things I outlined above regarding the current issues do that.

[katze]

#22 Another canned post? Brilliantly done, might add, and almost appears you're a genuine scholar. Third time on this one, why not shoot for a record? BTW, I believe you told you're a pilot, and I'm wondering for which airline. Would you mind telling? American, Delta, Continental, United?

[Le-Roy]

Why didn't our ancestors institute a government with general, unlimited powers to "do the right thing," especially in the midst of a crisis? Because they knew that governments throughout history had used unlimited political power to trample and even destroy the rights of the citizenry, especially during crises and usually with the best of intentions.

   Yep. Seems many here are still entranced by the letters GOP...kinda like standing on the train tracks, transfixed by the headlight of the approaching locomotive.