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MUSLIM CLERIC INSISTS 20 'SUITCASE NUKES' IN U.S.
News Max.com ^ | Monday, November 19, 2001 GMT | Dave Eberhart

Posted on 11/18/2001 1:38:32 PM PST by codebreaker

A leading Muslim cleric Shaykh Hisham Kabbani, founder of the Islamic Supreme Council of America (ISCA), insists bin Ladens network has bought more than 20 nuclear warheads carried in suitcases.

In 1999 Kabbani first warned the U.S. State Department of bin Laden's impending terrorism.

He told the U.S. Government bin Laden was training suicide bombers in Afghanistan ready to move to any part of the world.

Kabbani said the nuclear weapons, sometimes referred to as "suitcase bombs", were sold by the Russian mafia.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: alqaedanukes; jihadinamerica; suitcasenukes
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To: rebdov
I forgot to mention that if you have Ramadan prayer meetings in the WH the bombs cannot detonate. The sacred intonation of the Islamic prayer nomobomba chanted by Shaik Abbu Gorgan ibn Bushaba renders them neutral.
161 posted on 11/18/2001 4:58:21 PM PST by rebdov
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To: codebreaker
20 nukes - 20 cities???
162 posted on 11/18/2001 4:59:08 PM PST by Zeteo
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To: schmelvin
FWIW I got the same impression of him from that article. Sounds like he's one of the few "peaceful muslims" we've heard so much about.
163 posted on 11/18/2001 5:01:29 PM PST by Don Joe
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To: steve-b
Your point is well taken, most of the devices that they may have are likely several years old.
164 posted on 11/18/2001 5:02:25 PM PST by southland
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To: rwfromkansas
"It has been two months....still nothing of any consequence in regards to an Osama counter-strike. There will be no retalitation. Folks, settle down."

Have you ever heard the expression, "waiting for the other shoe to drop"?

Do you know what it means?

165 posted on 11/18/2001 5:03:30 PM PST by Don Joe
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To: Don Joe
I have...but I am not going to wait for it. If something happens, it happens.
166 posted on 11/18/2001 5:28:22 PM PST by rwfromkansas
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To: rwfromkansas
I thought only 5-10 were missing.(suitcase nukes)Where did this guy get his info?
167 posted on 11/18/2001 5:33:32 PM PST by cardinal4
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To: Don Joe
About a month ago, I heard a "credible" expert state in no uncertain terms that a suitcase nuke would level FOUR CITY BLOCKS.

Since then, I've heard very different depictions of the capabilities of the so-called suitcase nuke.

168 posted on 11/18/2001 5:38:06 PM PST by meridia
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To: MarkWar
Hey! My kid is stationed there.
169 posted on 11/18/2001 5:42:09 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: rebdov
Hi rebdov. I think you might want to check out his website. He'd been telling the government about the threat from radical islam for years -- for a while he was under FBI protection. He'd been trying in past years to impress upon the U.S. government that 80% of all U.S. mosques had been exposed to radical islamism.

I do NOT believe him to be one of "them" -- nor does he NEED speaker fees.

170 posted on 11/18/2001 5:42:24 PM PST by meridia
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To: codebreaker
He should be put in jail just like a passenger on an airliner would have to do for having said that there was a bomb on the plane.
171 posted on 11/18/2001 5:44:44 PM PST by Robert Lomax
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To: Don Joe
The sufis... those sufis who are muslim, for the most part are NOT "enamored" with Afghanistan -- the mujahideen murdered many sufis, there were mass executions. I'm not real sure on all the gory details.
173 posted on 11/18/2001 5:45:49 PM PST by meridia
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To: mafree
Most certainly not!
174 posted on 11/18/2001 5:50:07 PM PST by sheik yerbouty
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To: John Jamieson
"Seems like the element of surprise would have been before 9/11?"

It sounds like you're saying that you'd be surprised if he did anything else, i.e., you don't expect it (the "if he had them, he'd have used them" theory, etc.) If so, I think that makes my case.

175 posted on 11/18/2001 5:57:49 PM PST by Don Joe
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To: CommiesOut
Can you believe that the London Times and MSNBC would be spewing Muslim/Arabprop??

They claim that an Israeli has been stealing nuclear triggers for Israel.

Those guys must have all gone to the same mosque where their minds were poisoned with this stuff. Those links must be censored!!!

176 posted on 11/18/2001 6:06:53 PM PST by GROUCHOTWO
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To: codebreaker
One suitcase nuke goes off in the US and every Middle Eastern Country should be destroyed. If this is true, every country in the Middle East knows it. If this is true and they know it and they don't tell us, they're not worth the powder it'll take to blow them away. Still we need to use that powder...
177 posted on 11/18/2001 6:09:59 PM PST by GOPJ
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To: Migraine
"I agree. Plus, why fly planes into WTC when you have nukes already. Why not just set all 20 off at once on 20 different cities. No way does he have 'em, or else he would've already used 'em by now."

How is it that the people who are so confident in their ability to predict his moves now weren't able to predict his moves before 9/11?

I'm sorry, folks, but this strikes me as little more than whistling in the dark. Trying to predict the moves of a madman is generally conceded to be an exercise in futility. Trying to apply Western thought to a middle eastern madman is even more futile.

The guy is unpredictable. Part of being unpredictable is the practice of doing the unexpected. Part of doing the unexpected is the practice of doing things that someone who analyzes the situation would conclude to be NWIH events.

I've seen countless people assert that "if he had them, he would have used them by now". Well, I'm sorry, but that assumption holds no water. Even normal countries and militaries don't behave that way. Terrorists are insidious. And, they tend to up the ante as they go. It's real hard to up the ante if you start out with your big guns.

Then, there are other questions, like for instance, what if he had them, but didn't have the codes, or the tritium, or some other critical component before 9/11, but does have them now?

There are so many variables, so unknowns, and so much element of the unpredictable that the only logical conclusion one can draw is that anyone who boasts of his confidence that "it can't happen" really is just whistling in the dark.

Whistling in the dark has a noted tradition of providing a measure of comfort to the whistler. But, that comfort is one based not on reality, but on "fantasy management". If one whistles in the dark, and nothing untoward happens, the result is no more a product of the effort than the famous "babies and storks" statistical example. Coincidence is not evidence of causation.

Anyway, my point is that we don't know if OBL has nukes, but there is a growing body of evidence that suggests that it is entirely possible that he does. And, the evidence is coming from multiple unrelated directions. If he has them, and if they are in working condition, then it remains to be seen when and if he will use them. And no amount of armchair psychoanalysis of the middle eastern madman will produce a reliable prediction of his actions, other than by coincidence.

178 posted on 11/18/2001 6:10:03 PM PST by Don Joe
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To: VaBthang4
"There are no Suitcase Nukes inside of the United States that the US Military doesnt own and control."

It's not nice to present conjecture as fact.

Caveat: if you do know this to be a fact, you're in violation of FR's LLSH directive.

However, that's moot, as you cannot know that to be a fact, as it's impossible to prove a negative, which is precisely what your conjecture would have us believe you've accomplished.

179 posted on 11/18/2001 6:14:09 PM PST by Don Joe
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To: Don Joe
If you want to worry about something. Worry about a big truck bomb. Say 10 tons of ANFO in a cement mixer truck. Or Anthrax in the cocaine supply. These guys aren't geniuses, just stupid terrorists. They hate us so much the'll use a nuke or any other thing, the day they get it. November 22th is a day really important to them. G H W Bush set foot on Arab soil that day in 1990. Thanksgiving.

Me. I think we're winning big time and they're on the run all over the world. BL's only got a few hours left.

180 posted on 11/18/2001 6:19:06 PM PST by John Jamieson
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