Smallpox vaccine uses fetal cell line: Some Americans may refuse shot, worsening potential outbreak

WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Sunday, November 18, 2001 | By Jon Dougherty

[Dixie Mom]

Where are these other lists you bumped to?

FR topic lists are available here.

[Cold Heat]

This same type of thing happened during the first vaccination. The shots were manditory or you did not go to school. Nothing new here.

[harpseal]

They have something that works and works very well so obviously they are trying for something that may or may not work. They are idiots.

Stay well - stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown

[Don Joe]

If you're so out of it that you're oblivious to the fact that you're parroting third reich propaganda pretty much word for word, then I feel sorry for you.

[walden]

I figure I must be right all the time, because half the time some nut calls me a Nazi and the rest of the time some nut calls me a Marxist. I must be that rarest of all creatures on this board-- a rational human being who arrives at her opinions after careful study, analysis, and thought. I won't be responding to any more of your posts-- name-calling is the last refuge of the guy who is out of ideas. :)

[athiestwithagun]

Then I hope nobody in your family or friends has ever been vaccinated for chickenpox, hepatitis, or rubella; it's true.

Don't forget polio and rabies as well.

Actually, there are alternatives for Rubella and Hepatitis A. The Japanese derive a vaccine for the former from rabbit kidneys and for the latter from monkey kidneys. Neither is approved in the US. AFAIK, there is no non-fetal cell source for chickenpox vaccine.

Smallpox vaccine is actually made from the vaccinia virus, not the variola virus. Vaccinia was cultured originally on the Vero line of kidney cells from an adult African green monkey.

[Don Joe]

"name-calling is the last refuge of the guy who is out of ideas."

Tres drole.

You roll in mouthing off nazi eugenics platitudes, and then, when I call you on it, you accuse me of "name-calling"?

Well, you're consistent, if nothing else.

[Demidog]

I won't refuse it because it has fetal tissue in it. I'll refuse it because it doesn't work and never did. This is about huge profits for a few "lucky" bidders.

It never worked. Only about 10% of the worldwide population ever had the smallpox vaccine. Erradication? Bullcrap. It went away by itself and the vaccine had nothing to do with it whatsoever.

[Demidog]

Good God, you are un-informed. This shot will save zero lives. It doesn't work and never has. SmallPox outbreaks still occur, have been called "monkey pox" for years and were absolutely not "erradicated" by a vaccine which only 10% of the worlds population received.

[walden]

"Good God, you are un-informed. This shot will save zero lives. It doesn't work and never has. "

No problem-- don't take the shot if you don't want to. For myself and my children, we'll take it, thank you very much.

[Demidog]

We'll see who gets cleaned from the gene pool.

[Question_Vaccines]

According to the Model Health Law, it would be a misdemeanor to refuse the vaccine.

And to those who doubt the use of aborted fetal tissue for the vaccines mentioned, here's the package insert for the chickenpox vaccine.
Hey, there's some baby cow serum in there as well... and guinea pig stuff in there too, how apropos.

VARIVAX® [Varicella Virus Vaccine Live (Oka/Merck)] Contents Description Clinical Pharmacology Indications and Usage Contraindications Warnings Precautions Adverse Reactions Dosage and Administration How Supplied References DESCRIPTION VARIVAX* [Varicella Virus Vaccine Live (Oka/Merck)] is a preparation of the Oka/Merck strain of live, attenuated varicella virus. The virus was initially obtained from a child with natural varicella, then introduced into human embryonic lung cell cultures, adapted to and propagated in embryonic guinea pig cell cultures and finally propagated in human diploid cell cultures (WI-38). Further passage of the virus for varicella vaccine was performed at Merck Research Laboratories (MRL) in human diploid cell cultures (MRC-5) that were free of adventitious agents. This live, attenuated varicella vaccine is a lyophilized preparation containing sucrose, phosphate, glutamate, and processed gelatin as stabilizers. VARIVAX, when reconstituted as directed, is a sterile preparation for subcutaneous administration. Each 0.5 mL dose contains the following: a minimum of 1350 PFU (plaque forming units) of Oka/Merck varicella virus when reconstituted and stored at room temperature for 30 minutes, approximately 25 mg of sucrose, 12.5 mg hydrolyzed gelatin, 3.2 mg sodium chloride, 0.5 mg monosodium L-glutamate, 0.45 mg of sodium phosphate dibasic, 0.08 mg of potassium phosphate monobasic, 0.08 mg of potassium chloride; residual components of MRC-5 cells including DNA and protein; and trace quantities of sodium phosphate monobasic, EDTA, neomycin, and fetal bovine serum. The product contains no preservative. To maintain potency, the lyophilized vaccine must be kept frozen at an average temperature of - 15°C(+5°F) or colder and must be used before the expiration date (see HOW SUPPLIED, Stability and Storage). Storage in any freezer (e.g., chest, frost-free) that reliably maintains an average temperature of -15°C (+5°F) or colder and has a separate sealed freezer door is acceptable.

[Zorobabel]

Thanks for the info.

[linda_22003]

">In the U.S. today the following vaccines are fetal derived with no other source available...
I didn't know that. This is kind of terrifying."

The information has been publicly available for a long time; the chickenpox one in particular goes back to the 1960s. People are now going to decide to get indignant about something they could have known about all along, if they had cared to find out.

[linda_22003]

Yes, your vaccine was derived the same way. Many women aborted in the 1960s during the German measles epidemic, on their doctors' advice.

http://www.lc.org/radiotv/nlj/nlj0901.htm

[linda_22003]

Exactly. Why get all upset about it when the likelihood is that you've already DONE it?

[linda_22003]

I just noticed the age of the posts here. Sorry - how did this get bumped up onto the current list? :(

[Paul C. Jesup]

Don Joe: I hope you realize that you sound just like the eugenics advocates in Germany in the 1930s.

Would it be 'eugenics' if we seperated people by their idealogical beliefs?

[Howlin]

I've yet to see anybody turn down treatment for a loved one because of how the treatment may have been derrived.