Posted on 11/18/2001 3:17:00 AM PST by JohnHuang2
For this scheme to work, the government had better be resigned to both killing many civilians and suffering massive military losses, remember we are an armed population.
I will refuse to take such a vaccine. I will not use the innocent blood of babies to prolong my life. To do so, would mark me, it would say something about my moral fiber, my morality, my humanity and the state of my soul that I will NEVER consciously allow to be said. I would rather die first.
If that makes me a religious zealot, or an extremeist ... so be it.
In war, when attacking the enemy, some innocents get killed. There are some who will try and equate this to what is being discussed here. There is no equivalence. To kill innocents in the name of research is akin to what the Nazi's and every other Godless despot does. Lives spent that way are on the head of the society that allows for and benefits from said research.
To have civilians accidently killed in war is part of the horrendous cost of defeating a protaganist and those life's are on the head of the protaganist.
To defeat entire people's in an all-out war, where the population is willing supporting the war effort (like in Germany or Japan in World War II). Is part of the horror of all out, unrestricted war. Again ... no equivalence to this madness discussed here.
... and again, I would refuse, on pain of death, to take such a vaccine.
Each must decide for themselves.
In the U.S. today the following vaccines are fetal derived with no other source available:
The baby was aborted for psychiatric reasons. Apparently, psychiatrists interviewed the fetus and figured that the kid was just to wacko to contribute to society...
Actually, of course, this whole thing is just too disgusting to make jokes about, but when I saw that wording in the story, I couldn't resisit.
Mark W.
I didn't know that. This is kind of terrifying.
1) A couple of generations ago, there was lots of research on "RNA memory" -- which speculated that memory was stored in some cellular manner throughout an organism's body. There were lots of experiments, but nothing definitive, although the "general belief" of the scientific community turned against the idea.
2) There _continue_ to be anecdotal reports in general literature that people who get tissue transplantsof various kinds often report "false" memories that "feel" as if they come from the tissue donors. (These are usually dismissed as adverse reactions to the anti-rejection drugs.)
3) Little more than a week ago, British science magazine New Scientist reported a fantastic story of Bizarre Chemical Discovery Gives Homeopathic Hint-- which describes how tiny amounts of a substance in a fluid may cause serious, strange changes to the fluid...
As if it weren't horrifying enough to use aborted children to create drug treatments, the reality seems to be that nobody really knows the actual effects of injecting people with processed chunks of other people.
I believe I would refuse such treatment. I'll bet, however, that in the event of any outbreak, people who refuse will be rounded up and dealt with very seriously.
Mark W.
At that point, the "need" to disarm the populace would drive the reaction.
As Travis McGee often says, my money is on the side with the 10 million hunting rifles. Force readiness and logistics are a real pain when there are no front lines.
Sorry ... but as I said earlier, I will not be forced to accept a vaccine or inocculation that is based on such research.
"Forcibly" is the only way anyone is going to vaccinate me with fetal cell vaccine. While I would not hesitate to accept an organ transplant that came from a donor who generously chose to give life to others, I would never willingly accept something from someone who was killed so that their components could be harvested.
That goes for aborted babies (regardless of whether the body products were a direct or indirect reason for the abortion), or the victims of chinese "justice" who are executed for petty crimes, so that their organs can be harvested and marketed.
Sometimes this world is a frightening, disgusting place.
All that aside, I do not believe that GW Bush would go for a smallpox vaccine program that was based on fetal cells.
The company, Acambis PLC of England, in partnership with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta, has already been contracted by the federal government to make 40 million doses of the vaccine.
According to the Washington Post, that contract – signed last year – is set to increase to 54 million doses. But, as a part of a plan being formulated by the Department of Health and Human Services, the number could rise by as much as 250 million doses under new requirements to manufacture enough vaccine for every man, woman and child in the country.
Someone earlier said (I believe deport) that Chicnpox vaccines were based on the same. I can;t speak for current vaccinations, but I know when I wa vaccinated (many years ago) it wasn;t because abortions were illegal at the time. So there must be a way to develop iot (and the smallpox) vaccines without aborted fetal tissue because they were developed that way previously.
This really stinks and is a gross perversion of medical research and technology IMHO.
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