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Attorney General Ashcroft Plays "Doctor" in Oregon! [Doctor assisted suicide and a new liberal site]
www.TheAngryLiberal.com ^ | Nov. 16, 2001 | The "Angry Liberal"

Posted on 11/17/2001 3:45:27 PM PST by summer

Attorney General Ashcroft Plays "Doctor" in Oregon!

Just for fun, let's say you're captured by terrorists. After a twelve-second-long trial, you are convicted of "Crimes Against (insert a religion you think is silly here)." You are sentenced to die in one of two ways: 1) quickly and painlessly, or 2) slowly and agonizingly over a period of months while your family is forced to watch. Which death would you choose? Death #1? Really? Guess what? Attorney General John "Major League" Ashcroft is working hard to take Death #1 off of our list of choices and force us to endure Death #2. With the simple issuance of a directive, Ashcroft has signaled that he will ruin physicans in Oregon who help terminally ill patients choose Death #1 under the state's Death with Dignity Act. So much for Compassionate Conservatism.

Ashcroft, former Missouri senator who lost his senate seat to a dead Democrat (Missourians figured that Mel Carnahan at room temperature was better than Ashcroft at 98.6 degrees), was quickly scooped up, along with other Republican losers around the nation, to form the perfect loser administration under presidential second-place finisher George W. Bush. After deciding that a religious fanatic would be a good choice for U.S. Attorney General, Bush's short list included Ashcroft and two others. Bush was then informed that fellow Texan David Koresh was a currently a pile of soot and the Asian community vote-magnet Shoko Asahara had said through an interpreter, "I'd sooner ride the subway," so the nod went to Ashcroft.

Now Ashcroft is taking time that could be otherwise wasted pursuing terrorists in order to pursue doctors. On November 7, Ashcroft issued a directive stating that physicians who helped their terminally-ill patients end their own lives under Oregon state law could have their licenses to distribute federally controlled drugs revoked.

Why would Ashcroft do this? This stunt violates the following Republican principles:

1) The government should stay out of people's lives.

2) If government is needed, decisions are best made at the local level, not in Washington, D.C.

3) If federal oversight is needed, it should be done via legislation and not unilaterally from another branch of government (Republicans whine about "legislating from the bench," except when deciding presidential elections, remember?).

It also violates the following American (as opposed to Republican) principles:

1) Decisions about medical treatment should be made by the patient and the doctor, not a third party.

2) People should be allowed to own their own lives.

3) Government officials should check their religious beliefs at the door when they enter their offices.

American Principle number three is certainly Ashcroft's biggest constitutional nemesis, and his opposition to it probably precipitated his actions in this case. After all, suicide is a sin to Christians, right? If God sees fit to give you an unbearable disease, who are you to argue with Him? Ashcroft' s belief in this principle appears to trump not only his vocational responsibilities, but his political affiliation as well. He is apparently a "Christian" first, a Republican second, and an Attorney General third. We ain't payin' ya for the first two, pal.

Personally, I'm a believer in assisted suicide. If death is to be soon, certain, and agonizingly painful, what better way to go than by looking God right in the eye and saying, "You can't fire me. I quit." Herein lies the rub for Ashcroft. Suicide is disrespectful to his god. Kind of like a woman who shows her face on the streets of Kandahar, right, Johnny?

A federal restraining order is currently keeping Ashcroft at arm's length in Oregon, affording the terminally ill some tangible, if short-lived relief. Imagine having to request legal relief from our own Attorney General.

Suddenly, Ed Meese doesn't seem like such a bad guy after all. . .

. . .The Angry Liberal

11/16/01


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To: JRadcliffe
And just how would this be done? More government? The pills cost less than 5 cents to produce. They are sold anywhere from 6-10 dollars EACH. You are advocating price controls. Price controls are UNCONSTITUTIONAL. (Besides the fact that they have never worked from a historical perspective)

Nope, talking about competition and insurance.

California had a system of distributiuon, but that low-life Ashcroft sent in his storm troopers to shut them down. (Gee we must have won the War on Terrorism if he could spare that many people to shut down these distribution centers).

Huh? I may be having a senior moment, but it seems to me that the feds have been going after the medical marijuana crowd here in CA since long before Bush became president. In fact, I just did a quick google search and found a story about a 1996 lawsuit against the Reno justice dept over medical marijuana.

61 posted on 11/17/2001 6:23:40 PM PST by Aunt Polgara
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To: anniegetyourgun
"it still ropes the medical profession into the killing..."

No it doesn't. The doctor can refus,e and the patient can then choose to go to a doctor who will.

62 posted on 11/17/2001 6:27:18 PM PST by JRadcliffe
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To: JRadcliffe
Thereby putting the medical profession in the business of prescribing killing doses. Assisted suicide isn't healthcare. There isn't anything keeping someone who wants to off themselves from doing just that.
63 posted on 11/17/2001 6:29:35 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: Aunt Polgara
"I may be having a senior moment, but it seems to me that the feds have been going after the medical marijuana crowd here in CA since long before Bush became president. In fact, I just did a quick google search and found a story about a 1996 lawsuit against the Reno justice dept over medical marijuana."

I would not say that you are having a Senior Moment. I'd say you are having selective memory recall for the benefit of Republicans. In any event, this is not an attack on Bush, per se. I'd feel the same way about ANY policitian of ANY political party engaging in such UNCONSTITUTIONAL acts.

I was, in fact, relating an actual event which recently (last week) occurred. I am well aware the Reno was a communist slime ball.

64 posted on 11/17/2001 6:31:53 PM PST by JRadcliffe
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To: anniegetyourgun
"Thereby putting the medical profession in the business of prescribing killing doses."

That is certainly a stretch. It doe not put the ENTIRE medical establishment in the business of perscribing killing doses. It give doctors the OPTION to do so under very limited circumstances.

Assisted suicide isn't healthcare."

Have you ever watch someone die slowly and painfully? I have. My father's doctor warned me that there would come a point at which NO AMOUNT of pain medication would relieve my father distress. It was PAINFUL, and I was giving him hopped up doses of morphine almost every 15 minutes!

Until you have experienced or witnessed it yourself, you cannot speak with authority on this matter. Again, it is a matter of choice. I do not take kindly to ignorance rapped in "Compassion" or some delusional moral high ground.

65 posted on 11/17/2001 6:39:01 PM PST by JRadcliffe
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To: summer
By the way, Oregon's suicide rate is now 42 percent higher than the nation's and their suicide rate for those 75 or older is 63 percent higher. When you promote death through government provision, you get more of it. I don't want government-approved suicide in this country anymore than I want government-approved condom distribution to teens or needles for junkies.
66 posted on 11/17/2001 6:39:20 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: JRadcliffe
That's exactly why there have been such great strides in palliative care in this country and why we need the Pain Relief Promotion Act. The answer isn't government assisted suicide.
67 posted on 11/17/2001 6:40:49 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: Aunt Polgara
"Nope, talking about competition and insurance. "

Are you talking about the kind of competition that made the generic form of THC cost $10.00 a pill? It was cheaper than the name-brand, but that was little comfort to me or my wallet.

68 posted on 11/17/2001 6:41:33 PM PST by JRadcliffe
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To: anniegetyourgun
Thanks for your post #66. More for me to consider there...
69 posted on 11/17/2001 6:43:22 PM PST by summer
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To: anniegetyourgun
"That's exactly why there have been such great strides in palliative care in this country and why we need the Pain Relief Promotion Act."

Did you even read my post? There came a point at which no amount of medication relieved my father's pain. AND I was giving him just as much as I could without killing him!

70 posted on 11/17/2001 6:43:34 PM PST by JRadcliffe
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To: anniegetyourgun
No, you just wish to FORCE your morality on everyone else!! This is why the constitution is written the way it was, to protect the majority from the morals of a minority.

The MAJORITY of Oregonians VOTED for Death with dignity, it is NONE of your business. It is YOUR business in your own state, but NOT in Oregon, what happens in OREGON is OUR Business, SO BUTT OUT!!!
71 posted on 11/17/2001 6:44:52 PM PST by Aric2000
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To: JRadcliffe
I feel for you, I REALLY do, it breaks my heart EVERY time I hear such a story, but it was your fathers decision, if he lived in Oregon that is, otherwise he did NOT have that option.

If I was in that type of condition, I would certainly not want to put my family through such hardship, and I sure as heck wouldn't want to go through it. I have that choice here in Oregon, and to have people tell me that they want to take that choice away, even though it IS constitutional, and an individual choice, just pisses me off!!

Your morality is yours, if you think that Death with dignity is wrong, THEN DON'T DO IT, BUT, do not force your morality on me, it is MY choice, and to have that option is another way for doctors to show the compassion they must feel for patients that are terminal.

Lord knows that I would be VERY thankful to my doctor for allowing me that option!!

I am glad that you support it, and feel sick about those that would force their morality on others through the federal government.
72 posted on 11/17/2001 6:51:03 PM PST by Aric2000
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To: Aric2000
"This is why the constitution is written the way it was, to protect the majority from the morals of a minority."

Well, actually, the founding fathers had the minority in mind. That is to say, the Bill of Rights was written to protect the minority of one (a.k.a. THE INDIVIDUAL) from the force of the majority. This is also known as mob rule.

It is sad to say, but MOB RULE is all the rage in this country now days.

73 posted on 11/17/2001 6:51:51 PM PST by JRadcliffe
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To: JRadcliffe
You are absolutely correct!! didn't make myself very clear there did I? Thanks for that, I appreciate it!!
74 posted on 11/17/2001 6:53:01 PM PST by Aric2000
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To: Aric2000
No, it's federal law and it's being enforced. Oregon (or CA) can't opt out of whatever federal law it deems disagreeable by passing an initiative. Your issue is with the federal law. I suggest you work toward changing that.
75 posted on 11/17/2001 6:54:45 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: anniegetyourgun
"By the way, Oregon's suicide rate is now 42 percent higher...

Please cite your reference.

I had read one time that Washington State -- west of the mountains -- had a much higher suicide rate than the national average. There was credible evidence linking that fact to the amount of rain fall each year. Evidently sun shine is important to a person's mental health. This may explain why there are so many crazies in Seattle! ;-)

76 posted on 11/17/2001 6:59:08 PM PST by JRadcliffe
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To: anniegetyourgun
The feds have absolutely no constitutional authority, per the 9th and 10th ammendments, concerning this matter. Unconstitutional laws were made to be broken. I say screw the feds. ANY TRUE conservative would place the Constitution ABOVE federal laws, any day of the week.
77 posted on 11/17/2001 7:04:34 PM PST by JRadcliffe
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To: Aric2000
"I feel for you, I REALLY do..."

I appreciate it. Caring for my dying parents was an honor, and one I would gladly suffer again.

78 posted on 11/17/2001 7:07:30 PM PST by JRadcliffe
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To: anniegetyourgun
Exactly what I mean. The liberal obsession with multiple layers of law. Change the law at one level and the socialists find another one they can throw at us. No respect for the Tenth Amendment which, since you seem to have forgotten, is part of the US Constitution -- the highest law of the land.
79 posted on 11/17/2001 7:08:20 PM PST by athiestwithagun
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To: anniegetyourgun
And the federal law is UNCONSTITUTIONAL!!!

Not only that, but we actually got a waiver from the Justice Dept. Also, a federal Judge just put a restraining order on Ashcroft, stating that he cannot do anything until the case is heard in a federal court. WE ARE GOING AFTER THE LAW, but we wouldn't have had to if Ashcroft had kept his word and STAYED OUT OF IT!!

The feds don't like it when a state pushes for it's rights, and Oregon is going to PUSH hard!!

Also, there was a judge, I cannot remember his name, that stated if a law was passed that was unconstitutional, that it was a citizens right to ignore that law. Because if it was unconstitutional, it was unenforcable!!
80 posted on 11/17/2001 7:08:39 PM PST by Aric2000
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