Flight 587 Video Shows 'Puff of Smoke' in Sky

Newsmax ^ | November 17, 2001 | Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff

[EggsAckley]

Another ad hominum argument?

No, just a response to a person on the edge of hysteria.

[Born to Conserve]

"the spin would not stay flat for long as the upwind wing will generate more lift than the downwind wing"

It only has to flat spin for a bit to bust off the engines, and if it was flat spinning perpendicularly to it direction of travel, the wings (if they were still there) would have equal effects.

I hope they can clean up the video enough to resolve all this. Has there been a prognosis on the light data recorder? It would clear up everything if it has attitude records.

[Native American Female Vet]

Great! I know people discount much of the eyewitness reports...but this guy was right under it and saw the flames..that has to mean something.

[concerned about politics]

Ken: There was flames on the belly of the plane..I don't know weather it was the engine or ya know, but the plane bellied up towards us as it was going down and flames in the a..in that vicinity of the engines or whatever like underneath the plane

LIAR! We all know a bird knocked that tail off!

[KirklandJunction]

If, IF, that A300 had a multi-channel FDR, I eagerly await the analysis of rudder position, engine parameters and yaw/roll/pitch.
But, as someone here said, whatever the reports: some have already decided not to believe it.

[concerned about politics]

I think you "missile" guys hurt your credibilty when you insist it was a missile.

Actually, when they were first asked, they said it was like a shooting star going up, like it was a missile or something. It was a bright dot that ran right into the plane.

[Native American Female Vet]

Your welcome.

I thought about that too

[Born to Conserve]

"That's a FUN word to say... just like Kumquat and Jalalabad... ;0)"

You're going to have to work on your attitude if you want to hang around here. May I suggest bitter aggresion?

[Fred25]

bump

[MarkWar]

>Enhancement of the Flight 587 video could confirm the accounts of eyewitnesses like Jackie Powers, who, minutes after the crash, told both ABC News and WABC Radio in New York that she saw "an enormous flash" near the wing on the A-300 Airbus before it dropped from the sky.

Thanks for the ping. An interesting development.

But it's also depressing, too. Just about all the witnesses I heard on the day of the crash reported seeing fire or a flash on the side of the plane, right where the wing attached. I'm sure something interesting happened there.

But investigators seem to think nothing of ignoring any eye witness report which conflicts with a finding they're comfortable with. Look how many witnesses are ignored in the TWA-800 case!

I haven't followed threads as carefully as I should -- has anyone gotten any information on the helicopter that a couple of people saw in the area of the plane?

Mark W.

[Born to Conserve]

Yet another ad hominum argument?

[nicmarlo]

this guy was right under it and saw the flames..that has to mean something.

Well, that's what I'd say.

[Native American Female Vet]

"LIAR! We all know a bird knocked that tail off!"

LOL ooopps..I forgot

[El Gato]

What those pictures say to me is that the fin attachements broke above the bolts holding them on one side, but on the other they broke at the holes through which the bolts securing them pass.

Now that doesn't say a thing about what caused them to break off in the first place nor, with the resolution of pictures, which side broke first. It probably means the stab bent over towards the side where the attachments broke above the bolts, which according to the captions is the left side. A big push to the left on the tail would however turn the nose to the right, opposite of what is reported, so that conclusion is somewhat shakey, if one assumes that it was an external force, IOW wake turbulence, wind shear, etc, that caused the leftward force on the tail. If however something else caused the aircraft to yaw to the left, the force on the tail would be to the left, because the relative wind would be striking the right side of the vertical stab. Something like the left wing failing, but not necessarily separating from the aircraft. Or the left engine failing, which would also cause a yaw and roll to the left.

Yesterday I was speaking with a retired Marine C-130 pilot and a retired USAF KC-10 crew chief. Neither believed the wake turbulence should/could have caused the vertical stab failure, in the absence of some other problem that is. The KC-10 crew chief hadn't been too keen on the engine explosive failure theory either, and the KC-10 uses essentially the same engine.

[concerned about politics]

This is not 1944 and people will talk for the right price.

They have - for free! A whole group! The news said around 100 or so of them wanted the investigation done over, because they know what they saw. They wanted to sue to have the real story told.

After the outrage, the press stopped running the story. I don't know what happened to them. ( I'm from Upstate NY)

[auggy]

I doubt you will ever get an answer to that. I would bet that there is or was an arab somewhere involved in the maintenance. We will never know.

[Silvertip]

Birds (that can fly in 747 wake turbulance) ingested breaking off R engine which flew into tail breaking it off without any visible damage. Pilot then dumps fuel starting fire and breaking off other engine which causes plane to crash.

ANYTHING but explosion dozens of eyewitnesses saw.

CIA cartoon(s) coming to theatres in time for the holidays!

[okie01]

"3. Flame away oh conspiracy and government-is-lying buffs..."

Personally, I'd vote for separate threads -- headed "for conspiracy buffs only" and "all others".

[christine]

"LIAR! We all know a bird knocked that tail off!"

amused...