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Flight 587 Video Shows 'Puff of Smoke' in Sky
Newsmax ^ | November 17, 2001 | Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff

Posted on 11/17/2001 10:58:21 AM PST by MeekOneGOP

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1 posted on 11/17/2001 10:58:21 AM PST by MeekOneGOP
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To: MeeknMing
An explosion would be a problem for NTSB officials, who spent the better part of the last few days trying to sell the idea that the plane's vertical stabilizer snapped off, causing the in-flight breakup, because of "wake turbulence" from a Japan Airlines 747 that had taken off from JFK two minutes earlier.

Why would this be a problem,? Thought they were just trying to find out the truth. Since when is truth a problem? Oh, I know, when it conflicts with propaganda.

2 posted on 11/17/2001 11:00:52 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: MeeknMing
The general public is already removing this crash from their memory. They were told, really, "Nothing to see here."

The fact that eyewitnesses saw either explosion or fire is not being brought forward by anyone in the mainstream press as a counter to the "wake turbulance" theory.

3 posted on 11/17/2001 11:03:21 AM PST by copycat
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To: MeeknMing
Bumping for the conspiracy theory. LOL! Really I'm serious. I don't think this was an accident.
4 posted on 11/17/2001 11:11:18 AM PST by Salvation
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To: Avi8tor; MarkWar; Blueflag; eno_; Zordas
ping.
5 posted on 11/17/2001 11:13:25 AM PST by copycat
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To: copycat
The general public is already removing this crash from their memory. They were told, really, "Nothing to see here."

Was this so that the public would fly over the holidays, though? Support the airline industry, etc.?

6 posted on 11/17/2001 11:13:26 AM PST by Salvation
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To: MeeknMing
Let's, for the sake of a calm discussion, assume there was an explosion on/at/near the wing.
What would have seperated the vertical tail cleanly (no burns or symptoms of explosion) PRIOR?
7 posted on 11/17/2001 11:13:27 AM PST by KirklandJunction
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To: MeeknMing
It seems like the plane was already in a decline before the explosion. Wonder what that means. Course there could of been a previous one that you couldn't see due to it being far away.
9 posted on 11/17/2001 11:17:29 AM PST by lelio
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To: KirklandJunction
What would have seperated the vertical tail cleanly (no burns or symptoms of explosion) PRIOR?

That goes along with a question I have had all along, to which I have not heard anything from the media or government: Were there any Arabs who were hired as maintenance workers and worked on this plane? Did this person/people, come under the "grandfather" clause that existed (may still exist) and not have to go through security screening because he was hired prior to a certain year (I think it was 1997, not sure). If this is a possibility, then sabotage is also a possibility, either that day, the day before, or a month before.

10 posted on 11/17/2001 11:18:12 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: KirklandJunction
What would have seperated the vertical tail cleanly (no burns or symptoms of explosion) PRIOR?

IMHO, the explosion ocuured first. It threw the plane VIOLENTLY sideways or even caude the plane to turn sideways against the wind. The resultant forces caused the composite tail section to give way.

Without a rudder or vert stabiliser, the engines became free to thrust in any direction as the plane twisted in another, causing both engines to shear from their mounts.

The question is, what is the nature of the explosive which caused the initial "sharp turn to the left."

11 posted on 11/17/2001 11:19:14 AM PST by copycat
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To: MeeknMing
IMHO:

The tail fell off as a result of wake turbulance and fatigue, then the engines broke off as a result of a flat spin.

No bomb, no missle, no Martians, no sabatage.

They are not going to ground all similar aircraft for mechanical inspections if they know it was not caused by mechanical failure. If they call for a major grounding, then I'll be convinced it was mechanical.

12 posted on 11/17/2001 11:22:06 AM PST by Born to Conserve
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To: Jimhotep
mechanical failure

Mechanical failure of what, though? Simply because there may have been some kind of mechanical failure does not rule out intentional mechanical failure.

13 posted on 11/17/2001 11:22:43 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: Jimhotep
And those pictures constitute proof because...?????

Personally, I don't think anyone has yet proved anything of any importance, whether the theory is mechanical failure, structural failure, sabotage, bomb, whatever.

14 posted on 11/17/2001 11:23:06 AM PST by Chad Fairbanks
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To: Salvation
Bumping for the conspiracy theory. LOL! Really I'm serious. I don't think this was an accident.

You aren't alone. There are a LOT of folks on FR and the general public that are skeptical regarding the reports coming out of the government. That would include me. I'm patient and will wait and see what the "investigations" reveal. The government needs to make sure that TRUTH takes the wheel and "pampering the baby" is not done. The government can hurt us worse by thinking they are doing the right thing by giving us false information with the thought of not causing a general panic. (Or, even worse yet, just a flat-out coverup!). "XXX" as it goes on the game show "Family Feud". Wrong answer!

I'm hoping that Bush will insert his bully pulpit into this and make SURE the wrong thing doesn't happen here regarding this tragedy. . .

Thanks for your input!

15 posted on 11/17/2001 11:23:12 AM PST by MeekOneGOP
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To: Born to Conserve
If they call for a major grounding, then I'll be convinced it was mechanical

But I thought I read yesterday that they were going to be either grounding all Airbuses or checking them all before they could fly.

17 posted on 11/17/2001 11:24:16 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: Jimhotep
Proof of a mechanical failure.

Perhaps you'd like to explain just WHY the pictures in your link are PROOF?

18 posted on 11/17/2001 11:25:57 AM PST by EggsAckley
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To: Jimhotep
I did look at your photos before commenting. They tell me nothing. I am neither a mechanic, engineer, nor pilot. Forgive my ignorance, however, as I said, the photos don't communicate to me anything. Not meant as criticism to you, rather, my own ignorance.
19 posted on 11/17/2001 11:26:38 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: EggsAckley
Jimhotep.................member since November 17th, 2001
20 posted on 11/17/2001 11:27:20 AM PST by EggsAckley
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