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Earth's next little ice age could occur about the year 3100
ap ^ | November 15, 2001, 5:56 PM EST | PAUL RECER

Posted on 11/16/2001 1:24:42 PM PST by Trailer Trash

http://www.newsday.com/news/politics/wire/sns-ap-solar-cycles1115nov15.story

Oceans Temps, Solar Cycles Linked

By PAUL RECER
AP Science Writer

November 15, 2001, 5:56 PM EST

WASHINGTON -- The brightening and dimming of the sun may account for a 1,500-year cycle of cooling and warming on parts of the Earth, a study of ice in the North Atlantic suggests.

Researchers found that a very slight difference in the amount of solar energy reaching the Earth can have a powerful chilling effect on the climate: ice builds up in lands bordering the North Atlantic, the average temperature drops in Europe and North America.

"Whether the whole Earth is affected, we don't know for sure yet, but it is certainly implied," said Gerard C. Bond, a researcher at the Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory of Columbia University in Palisades, N.Y.

"The effect does extend from the high northern latitudes down, maybe even to the tropics," said Bond, first author of a study appearing Friday in the journal Science.

The cycle of sunlight intensity roughly follows a 1,500-year pattern, based on analysis of the past 12,000 years. But the difference from the top of the cycle to the bottom is very small, with less than a 0.1 percent difference in energy levels, he said.

Bond and his colleagues believe this is enough to trigger severe climate changes, such as the Little Ice Age, a 490-year period starting in 1400 that dramatically chilled Europe and the North Atlantic.

"The climate system is extremely sensitive to weak forces, such as solar variability," Bond said. "That should make us that much more worried about greenhouse warming."

Greenhouse warming is thought to be caused by an increase in the atmosphere of carbon dioxide from the burning of fossil fuels, including oil, gas and coal.

The study is an effort to determine if small changes in sunlight over centuries can cause the Earth's climate to warm or cool. Other experts working on the same problem said Bond and his team have made a strong case.

"It shows that the connection is real," Jeffrey Park of Yale University said in Science. To David Thomson of Queen's University in Ontario, Canada, it seems like "a fairly convincing case."

Bond and his colleagues analyzed small bits of rock that were dropped to the Atlantic floor after being carried to sea by icebergs that broke off glaciers in Iceland and other northern islands.

The rocks fell as the icebergs melted, Bond said. Thus, the farther south the rocks fell, the farther south the icebergs drifted, providing a measure of ocean temperature.

To determine when the rocks were dropped, researchers dated the age of shells deposited at the same time and place.

The 1,500-year cycle of warming and cooling corresponds to data from tree ring studies, another way of measuring the sun's strength over time.

Bond said the sun, at its most energetic, strengthens the Earth's magnetic field, which blocks more cosmic rays, a type of radiation streaking in from deep space.

When cosmic rays hit plants, they cause the formation of certain isotopes, such as carbon-14, that can be measured in ancient tree rings. A tree ring rich in carbon-14 suggests an inactive sun, for example.

Measurements of the iceberg drift and the tree rings showed a similar cycle, Bond said.

"The connection we observed is that the increases in icebergs and drift ice occur at the same times as the increase in (carbon-14), which means the sun was weaker," said Bond.

He said the findings also agree with studies that measured the chilling of the Earth based on the advance and retreat of alpine glaciers in Europe.

Bond said the Earth's temperature is still recovering from the Little Ice Age, when ocean temperatures dropped by two to three degrees. That change was enough for ice to jam most of the North Atlantic, closing many ports in the winter and affecting the weather throughout Europe. Rivers that never freeze in modern times were routinely used then for ice skating, Bond said.

Based on the 1,500-year cycle, Bond said that the Earth's next little ice age could occur about the year 3100, plus or minus 500 years.


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Now I'm really confused.

As a kid in the 70's, I remember being scared to death that our homes would be icebergs in a matter of years.

Is it really true?

1 posted on 11/16/2001 1:24:42 PM PST by Trailer Trash
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To: Real Rush
go man go!
2 posted on 11/16/2001 1:24:42 PM PST by Trailer Trash
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To: Trailer Trash
There have been ice ages in the past and there will certainly be ice ages in the future. Human civilization is roughly about 10,000 years old, give a take a few thousand. This is but a blink of the eye so far as Earth and our solar system is concerned. One might argue that our civilization is possible only because the human species was fortunate enough to develop during a time of tranquility.

If you hang around Earth long enough, you will sooner or later be killed by some natural disaster, be it an ice age, earthquake, volcano, storm or a comet strike. But since none of us live much longer than 100 years, a "micro-second" in Earth time, we will likely never have to worry about such things.

3 posted on 11/16/2001 1:24:43 PM PST by SamAdams76
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To: Trailer Trash
What does this mean for my 401K?
4 posted on 11/16/2001 1:24:43 PM PST by ZeitgeistSurfer
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To: SamAdams76
we will likely never have to worry about such things.

True. Except that carbon taxes happen in real time.

5 posted on 11/16/2001 1:24:44 PM PST by Trailer Trash
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To: Trailer Trash
Next ice age in 3100. Reminds me of this story: The teacher was telling the class that the sun was going to burn out in 5 billion years. A student in the back raised his hand and said,"how long?" The teacher says 5 billion years. The kid says "wwwweeeewwwwwww, I thought you said 5 million. So lets start worrying now. Maranatha
6 posted on 11/16/2001 1:24:51 PM PST by fish hawk
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To: Trailer Trash
Well, if people are still around in 3100 (I think they will be), and are not in a state of semi-savagery, then this may be the first time such an event is headed off. It's simple enough to scatter carbon black over vast tracts of Greenland and the Arctic Ocean to ratchet back up the amount of sunlight received if it falls off. So this "little ice age" scenario is susceptible to even a low-tech manipulation.
7 posted on 11/16/2001 1:24:56 PM PST by Joe Bonforte
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To: Trailer Trash
Based on the 1,500-year cycle, Bond said that the Earth's next little ice age could occur about the year 3100, plus or minus 500 years.

By then mankind will no doubt be among the stars, and hopefully the only ones left on the planet will be the liberals who did not want a space program to begin with.

God Bless America

8 posted on 11/16/2001 1:24:58 PM PST by JustAnAmerican
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To: Joe Bonforte
Well, if people are still around in 3100 (I think they will be), and are not in a state of semi-savagery, then this may be the first time such an event is headed off. It's simple enough to scatter carbon black over vast tracts of Greenland and the Arctic Ocean to ratchet back up the amount of sunlight received if it falls off. So this "little ice age" scenario is susceptible to even a low-tech manipulation.

This assumes terraforming has no economic cost. Fact is, there will be economic effects on Earth due to changes in solar output in almost any conceivable technological environment. So we may be able to stave off the temperature effects but that means less resources for other things and thus more competition for what resources remain.

History shows that climate has a huge effect on economic organization. Basically colder times require more centralized energy use. This tends to make for larger governments as well -- since govt. seeks higher tax revenues.

The last time we went from a cold period to a warming trend, about 1500 years ago, the Roman Empire fell. Greater economic self-sufficiency leads to more people who won't put up with the politicians' re-distribution schemes.

9 posted on 11/16/2001 1:24:59 PM PST by Entelechy
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To: Trailer Trash
Now I'm really confused.

As a kid in the 70's, I remember being scared to death that our homes would be icebergs in a matter of years.

Is it really true?

Well, you can blame it all on the Bush tax cuts.

10 posted on 11/16/2001 1:24:59 PM PST by Aeronaut
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To: Trailer Trash
So sorry I'll miss the big event.LOL
11 posted on 11/16/2001 1:25:00 PM PST by LaGrone
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To: Scuttlebutt; razorback-bert; COB1; LadyX; FallGuy; Snow Bunny; michigander
I just hate it when this happens.
12 posted on 11/16/2001 1:25:02 PM PST by ofMagog
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To: Trailer Trash
So, time to invest in future ski resorts in Arizona?
13 posted on 11/16/2001 1:25:02 PM PST by JenB
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To: ofMagog
I'm expecting a little ice age to start within the next few weeks here.
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14 posted on 11/16/2001 1:25:03 PM PST by michigander
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To: Trailer Trash
Damn it, just when the LP would be rising to power :p
16 posted on 11/16/2001 1:25:06 PM PST by NC_Libertarian
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To: Trailer Trash
Based on the 1,500-year cycle, Bond said that the Earth's next little ice age could occur about the year 3100, plus or minus 500 years.

Brilliant. I predict the next person I meet will weigh 200 pounds, plus or minus 150 pounds.

17 posted on 11/16/2001 1:25:08 PM PST by NittanyLion
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To: michigander
"I'm expecting a little ice age to start within the next few weeks here."

Nice and warm down here. Will most probably remain on boat this winter and let family use the Colorado cabin.

18 posted on 11/16/2001 1:25:08 PM PST by ofMagog
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To: NC_Libertarian
LOL!

Actually, I'm looking forward to it; we had a HOT summer here in NC!

19 posted on 11/16/2001 1:25:08 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Trailer Trash
Newsflash!

The SUN has the greatest impact on climate, not the SUV.

20 posted on 11/16/2001 1:25:09 PM PST by Liberal Classic
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