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FBI Sitting on Flt. 587 Videotape
Newsmax ^ | 11.16.01 | Newsmax

Posted on 11/16/2001 1:24:12 PM PST by callisto

A videotape that could show exactly what happened to American Airlines Flight 587, which crashed three minutes after taking off from New York's JFK airport on Monday, is in the hands of the FBI -- but the bureau has thus far declined to release it.

New York City's Metropolitan Transportation Authority spokesman Tom Kelly confirmed to the Daily News Friday that the agency has given surveillance videotapes from Cross Bay Blvd. and Marine Parkway bridges to the FBI.

"One tape captures the plane taking off from JFK," the News said.

Cross Bay Blvd. and Marine Parkway traverse Jamaica Bay, where the plane's vertical stabilizer was discovered intact after the crash.

Dozens of eyewitnesses have told media outlets they saw an explosion and/or a fire at the juncture of Flt. 587's wing and fusilage moments before it began to break up, losing its tail first, then both its engines.

Catastrophic engine failure, which was first suspected to have caused the explosion, was ruled out Tuesday after NTSB investigators examined the engines and found no evidence of mechanical failure.

Since discovering the engines were working properly, NTSB spokeswoman Marion Blakely -- along with most media outlets -- have quietly dropped references to witness accounts of a midair explosion.

The NTSB now says that wind turbulence from another plane is the most likely cause of the crash. One former jumbo jet veteran pilot was highly skeptical of the turbulence theory.

"If wind turbulence caused that accident, I'll never fly again," Barry Schiff, who flew 747's for TWA, told the New York Post.

But a videotape showing the exact sequence of Flt. 587's break-up could clear up any mystery, showing whether or not the break-up was caused by an explosion or by turbulence.

It's not clear why the FBI has not yet released the MTA video -- or even commented on what it shows. It's also not clear why the Flt. 587 video was not turned over to the NTSB instead of the FBI, which had reportedly adopted a secondary role in the wake of NTSB claims that the crash was an accident.

When an Air France Concorde jetliner crashed after catching fire on takeoff from a rural French airport last year, an amatuer video of the accident was released within 48 hours.

Calls to the FBI's New York office and to MTA spokesman Kelly were not returned by presstime.


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To: MindBender26
From NY Daily News 11/17/01:

The tape, viewed by the Daily News, shows a white outline of the jetliner against a clear sky in a fairly steep decline. Seconds later, the outline disappears and the video shows a blurry, white, undefined patch as the plane apparently breaks apart. Finally, dark plumes of smoke billow up from behind what appears to be a toll-facility building in the foreground.

261 posted on 11/17/2001 6:20:32 AM PST by Beach_Babe
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To: conservativejunkie
>Whats with all the different print in your posts. very annoying. Keeps me from even bothering to read them

[laughs]

Thanks for sharing.

YOUR response is important to ME.

I will route your comment to the appropriate fragment of my s h a t t e r e d personality.

Mark W.

262 posted on 11/17/2001 6:27:59 AM PST by MarkWar
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To: Beach_Babe
Since we know from the condition of the aircraft remains at the crash site that this can not be accurate, we can ignore this like many NYC tabloid stories.
263 posted on 11/17/2001 7:35:11 AM PST by MindBender26
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To: golitely
Thanks for the flag. This is an important development. If the goal of the NTSB is to deny the public access to the video it will probably work as long as there are no other similar incidents in the next few months.

If there is a repeat of the Flight 587 disaster in the near future and the NTSB is still talking about wake turbulence, the credibility of the NTSB will forever be lost. I hope the NTSB fully understands what is at stake here. Failures in integrity in this investigation may require a revisit to the TWA 800 investigation.

It is a bit ironic that 9-11 required a revisit to the Iraq connection to the OKC bombing by Mr. Wolfowitz and others and any mishandling of this investigation may require another look at TWA 800.

264 posted on 11/17/2001 11:57:46 AM PST by honway
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To: MindBender26
disavowed =/= disproven

Hope this helps.

265 posted on 11/17/2001 1:49:37 PM PST by Plummz
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To: Plummz
Say again, over
266 posted on 11/17/2001 1:51:25 PM PST by MindBender26
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To: MindBender26
IIRC, the local media just refused to repeat or even discuss any of the eyewitness reports re: JFKJr that didn't toe the line. They didn't "disprove" jack.
267 posted on 11/17/2001 1:58:10 PM PST by Plummz
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To: MindBender26
Since we know from the condition of the aircraft remains at the crash site that this can not be accurate, we can ignore this like many NYC tabloid stories.

Are you saying they didn't see the video? Making it all up? Ooooo, now you've got your OWN "conspiracy theory" going! But of course, none of your "conspiracy theories" are unfounded and "paranoid," are they? Mercy, no! P.S. Sounds from your post like you've personally inspected the "conditions of the aircraft remains at the crash site." We all know YOU wouldn't make a thing like that up, old-timer.

268 posted on 11/17/2001 2:40:17 PM PST by Map Kernow
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To: Collier
I live on Long Island and went thru the whole TWA 800 debacle, in fact I live only a couple of miles from the Rockaways.

Hey, friend, I hear ya. I'm a City and Nassau County boy myself originally. Like Bill O'Reilly and you, a bunch of people from my old LI hometown were killed in WTC, including one of my old highschool and college mates.

Even out here in LA LA Land, I remember talking to a guy from LI after TWA 800, from East Moriches in fact, who was confounded by the way the government was simply ignoring eyewitness accounts of literally dozens of people.

And yet look at all the arrogant, know-it-all shills who keep scolding anyone who dares raise questions about the 587 crash and investigation as "conspiracy kooks," paranoid, mentally ill. Well, guess what, you pompous asses: We're not going to shut up until we get some real answers, and if GW is what he and people here billed him to be, his Administration ought to give us the straight dope, without fear of the consequences. We can handle the goddam truth.

269 posted on 11/17/2001 2:48:33 PM PST by Map Kernow
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To: Map Kernow
Sounds from your post like you've personally inspected the "conditions of the aircraft remains at the crash site.

No, but I did see the remains of A/C is a very high quaity, broadcast TV shot, both the editied for air version and the raw fed to the affiliates.

Next stupid question?

270 posted on 11/17/2001 9:23:37 PM PST by MindBender26
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To: Plummz
If we can get a list of names and addresses of these guys on the conspiracy end of FR, we can make a FORTUNE selling them life insurance, encyclopedias, Childcraft, illuminated globes, swamp land in Floida...
271 posted on 11/17/2001 9:25:54 PM PST by MindBender26
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To: MindBender26
No, but I did see the remains of A/C is a very high quaity, broadcast TV shot, both the editied for air version and the raw fed to the affiliates.

So what? Just like being on the site and looking at the craft up close, hunh? Yeah, right. Does that put you in the same category as the eyewitnesses to the disaster whose accounts you summarily and contemptuously dismiss, or does it make you maybe a little LESS credible than they, hmmmm?

Just stick to your abusive posts about "old ladies" and "crazy people," pal: you've lost all credibility with me. When it comes to discussing the FACTS about Flt. 587, I'll turn to others less obviously biased and prone to prevarication.

272 posted on 11/18/2001 12:02:11 PM PST by Map Kernow
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To: Map Kernow
Please reread the reports from earlier. A/C went into houses, after shedding vert. stab. and engines. Vert. stab. came off early in the crash sequence. Engines came off just before impact, and landed very near fuselage impact point.

Engines are attached to wing. Wings remained attached to A/C. It's as simple as that. Wing could have not seperated from A/C and left engines behind.

Rather than feeding your ego, study a little aeronautics, engineering, whirl mode loads and the like before you try to comment on something way beyond your knowledge.

273 posted on 11/18/2001 3:14:28 PM PST by MindBender26
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To: MindBender26
Rather than feeding your ego, study a little aeronautics, engineering, whirl mode loads and the like before you try to comment on something way beyond your knowledge.

And rather than come up with a straw man argument to cover your prevarication, go back and look at what you posted. You accused the Daily News reporters of lying or misreporting about what they observed on the surveillance video of the Flt. 587 disaster. You implied that you had examined the wreckage at the site, then came up with a howler that you had observed "broadcast quality direct feed to affiliates" of TV shots of the wreckage (shot over hours no doubt--and from every possible angle, right?) Now you're backpedaling like crazy, simply repeating the government postulated failure sequence. And you accuse me of wanting to "feed my ego"?

Say goodnight, Jack, before you make yourself any more ridiculous. Tell the people at the NTSB that you're not giving them their money's worth and that it's time for you to retire.

Happy Thanksgiving.

274 posted on 11/18/2001 5:20:56 PM PST by Map Kernow
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To: MindBender26
swamp land in Floida...

You might start by buying yourself a dictionary to help with your spelling. You should be more careful when you start insulting others.

275 posted on 11/19/2001 7:40:14 AM PST by honway
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To: honway
Spelling is the last repository of the anal retentive!

How about this; EAT ME! Spelling on one that?

(I'm not cursing at honawy. I'm simply exercising my Constitutional right to repeat and comment upon critical visual elements from the closing sequence of the esteemed motion picture; "Animal House" If it's good enough for Aninal House, it's good enough for me.......)

276 posted on 11/19/2001 8:29:38 AM PST by MindBender26
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To: honway
PS, as I once asked my mother.... if I spell it wrong, how can I look it up in the dictionary?????
277 posted on 11/19/2001 8:30:51 AM PST by MindBender26
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